Further to my soap box. I like buying Dell machines and if I'm too lazy, I don't always reformat and start over, but one thing I give Dell credit for is that in the customization of the machine, you get to choose whether or not your free anti-virus and/or free Works packages should be installed or not. So at least when I get my new Dell machine, it may have crapware on it, but not so much like the awful anti-virus solutions and Works they provide. So in the end it's less work for me. If I could tell Dell to only send me a machine with a plain Windows install, I would. But I have not seen such an option.
I'm done ranting, until the next time that is. On 4/6/2010 2:11 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: > Perhaps it's crazy, but it's true. I've seen many issues with many PCs > because of bloatware. I'm not even talking about PCs with Window-Eyes on > them. I'm talking about sighted people who want to take advantage of > their computer and want it to run as fast as the ads claim. Why do you > think that many PCs you buy give you a driver and a Windows disc to > fresh install everything? Because these companies know it's better for > it to be done. However they are counting on the average consumer to be > not willing to take that step and/or hire them to do it for them and > then they make more money. > > Crazy? Yes. True? Yes. necessary? Well new PCs should only have Windows > and nothing else on them, but then the companies they advertise for > would not have their bloatware installed and then the PC would be more > expensive. > > Cheers. > > On 4/6/2010 1:08 PM, Sandra Fouts wrote: >> Besides, you shouldn't need to buy a new computer then turn around and >> reforemat it. Sorry but that's crazy. >> >> >> Sandra Fouts >> Phone Counselor >> Arkansas Attorney General's Office >> 323 Center Street, Ste 200 >> Little Rock, AR >> 501-371-2303 >> Fax 501-682-8118 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Gunn [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:04 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: sent my computer to GW >> >> Aaron: >> >> I would agree with formatting however I believe if one does your suggestion, >> HP might not honnor the warantee. >> >> Take care, >> >> John >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:00 PM >> Cc: gwmicro >> Subject: Re: sent my computer to GW >> >> >> To be fair, it's less about the fact that you have an HP, and more about the >> fact that you have an HP with all of HP's crap installed. If you were to >> reformat and re-install, you'd have a brand new machine, that would rock >> with Window-Eyes. I wrote about this, back in the day, on our blog: >> http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/?title=new_pc_woes. >> >> Aaron >> >> On 4/6/2010 12:26 PM, C. Richcreek wrote: >> >> Hi All, I am also using an HP but this is a laptop and having >> issues. Most of the issues are caused by HP but WinEyes is, for the small >> part, having some issues also, I would advise anyone and everyone not to buy >> an HP because many of their Win7 HP support programs are done in all flash? >> It seems that Microsoft takes two steps forward and HP takes four steps >> backwards in accessibility. Another issue is with Windows Live Mail. I don't >> see how the calendar can get corrupted data in it when I never go into it >> but when this happens the email program can not be opened, sheeze, multiple >> problems and WinEyes is the easiest so far to get through. Sorry about the >> so long rant but just had to spill. Thanks dearly, Craig R >> >> From: Don H <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:40 AM >> To: gwmicro <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: sent my computer to GW >> >> >> >> >> When Windows 7 came out back in October I had a free upgrade coming >> from HP on my recently purchased Desktop computer. Now don't lecture me on >> why it is a bad idea to install a newly released operating system as I >> totally agree but hey I am old and don't have time to wait for it to be bug >> free as bug free never happens. >> >> After installing Win 7 and WE 7.11 I had problems with a random >> crash of my system when I started WE after a boot or computer restart. At >> this point I couldn't say for sure if it was a Win 7 problem a computer >> problem or a Window Eyes problem. I contacted HP with no help, contacted >> Microsoft with no help and reported the problem to GW and got the response >> that they couldn't duplicate the problem. >> >> After numerous WE generated error reports being sent to Aaron Smith >> at GW I got the response that maybe WE was causing the problem and a >> possible fix would be in 7.2. >> >> Well the WE 7.2 beta 1 changed the problem in that WE no longer >> generated a error message but I was still getting the crash. >> >> Aaron Smith finally told me that the only way that they could >> potentially fix the problem was for me to send GW my computer. >> >> I didn't really like the idea of sending them my computer but I also >> was fed up with the problem. So a little over a week ago I sent in my >> computer. >> >> After they received my computer it got top priority for Aaron Smith >> and others at GW to figure the problem out and get the computer back to me >> in short order. >> >> After a day of work at GW they did indeed agree that Window Eyes was >> causing my problem and after another couple of days they pinned it down to a >> timing problem with the Windows Log On service and GW did in fact resolve >> the problem on my computer and will include the fix in the 7.2 release of >> WE. Aaron indicated that this fix would probably benefit a small number of >> WE users with the same or similar problem. >> >> It cost me a total of $19 to send GW my computer and since it was in >> fact a WE problem they paid the shipping back. I see that as a few dollars >> well spent and just another indication of the great support that GW provides. >> >> So when GW recommends that you send in your computer don't be like >> me and hesitate and send it in if at all possible. You will probably get >> your problem solved and maybe just maybe make Window Eyes even a better >> product. >> >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >> sender only. If >> your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is >> related to GW Micro, then please >> consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire >> list will receive it. >> >> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You >> can manage your list >> subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >> sender only. 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