Sam, then you can congratulate yourself for having attained the moral
highground.
I am simply responding to an email from an arrogant and bullish
individual who has for far too long got away with stifling discussion
on this list at every turn. if you are admonishing me for reacting to
a list bully then, I'm sorry, you're no better than he is.
GW Info List owners/moderators seem to have an irresponsibly
laissez-faire attitude toward list bullying, i would go in so far as
suggesting that one or two of them routinely partake in a spot of
cyber bullying themselves. So, it's no surprise we have our friend Mr
Grimsby Jr strutting about like the only cock in the farmyard with
complete impunity. Monkey see, monkey do, as you say in North America.
At 01:05 28/11/2014, you wrote:
And this is a perfect example of the emails I was talking about.
What do you hope to accomplish with an email like this?
I am not trying to be rude but, what are you trying to prove or solve?
Thanks,
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 5:48 PM
To: gw Micro Product Discussion Listserv
Subject: RE: Selecting text
Well, in that case, why bother with Window-Eyes in the first place?
AI Squared resources could be allocated to other projects since there
are at least 3 screen readers on the market to choose from. Some,
nay, many would contend that JFW and NVDA are in their own ways
superior to Window-Eyes. So, why expend resources on development of a
redundant product. you as a user may not have been aware of accessing
Windows in a way other than with Window-Eyes, so I'm just pointing
them out to you. *smile*
And why stop there? Why bother with computers at all? Let's all
use good old fashioned braille frames that never need updating. No
need for SMAs there. No waste of resources. Instead we could get the
nearest sighted person to manage our emails or pay our utility bills online.
Ridiculous? yes, and a natural extension of your logic, Jim.
At 00:00 28/11/2014, you wrote:
>Hi Sam,
>Dealing with issues as to why you might need a thing or in some
>cases finding out what works best for people is a very useful
>conversation. You are dealing with a limited amount of resources
>thus things need to be allocated a priority. Also in some cases a
>user might have never thought to do a thing in a way that is being
>described. There for asking why would you want to do that is quite
>helpful. Let's take your example of dealing with rss and
>formatting. I had never thought of that situation so I learned something
new.
>
>Does the program you are working with support the ability to paste
>text only, or keep source text? Microsoft word for example, and
>most word processers do support this. This question is being
>asked, because if you can use the internal utilities of the program
>you are working with to perform this task then it doesn't make sense
>to add this functionality to window-eyes. If that is the case then
>the window-eyes team would be better served adding more important
>features that allow you to perform tasks that cannot be performed
>now, or addressing an actual accessibility issue.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Bushman [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 PM
>To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'gw-info'
>Subject: RE: Selecting text
>
>Hi tom,
>
>I am ok with the beta not having everything.
>I am find with:
>
>Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not yesterday.
>
>I am also fine with adding f8 to make it easier to block large
>amounts of text ... I am also fine with a feature that gets all the
>formatting. That's fantastic.
>I just think that the ability to deal in WE with text only has value.
>So, maybe in a future release that can be an option.
>
>The thing I don't like the most is the debate of who can do what
>faster, the you don't need that, the why would you ever want to do
>that stuff from some posters gets old.
>
>Thanks for listening.
>Sam
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:26 PM
>To: gw-info
>Subject: Re: Selecting text
>
>As we've tried to say, Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not
>yesterday.
>
>Tom
>
>
>On 11/26/2014 3:21 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
> > I find it sad that instead of trying to make things work the best
> we can for all users, instead of sticking with the windows
> standards, instead of finding better ways to do things, instead of
> building in the best we can to the program ... we are all arguing
> keystrokes ... telling others you don't need that ... why the hell
> do you want to do that ... don't you know how to solve problems etc
> ... it's amazing and sad to me.
> > I can do this faster than you can, my dad is stronger than your
> da ... it's frickin crazy!
> > Sam
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:17 PM
> > To: gw-info
> > Subject: Re: Selecting text
> >
> > Aaron. You forgot to assign a hot key to Notepad and shave a few more
> > seconds off your time. And I thought you were a power user. :)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 11/26/2014 3:12 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
> >> On my machine, given the time it takes to shut Window-Eyes down,
> launch NVDA, refresh the page (since NVDA typically doesn't like
> being launched on an existing page), locate the text, select it,
> copy it, close NVDA, re-launch Window-Eyes, then find where I
> wanted to paste it, then paste it, the difference is at least 30
> seconds. Whereas Windows-R, notepad, enter, paste, control-a,
> control-x, alt-f4 takes me literally seconds.
> >>
> >> But, as I mentioned, if that's drives your success, then all the
> power in the world to you.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
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