Ok one mans feature is another mans bug. I understand now. I agree with you here. Having this option does sound like it would be helpful. How do you think it should work? Just add a button to the copy dialog after f8 is pressed a second time. Should another hotkey altogether be used. Lets say text is selected. Either with the shift arrows when they come back or the f8 function. When you are done selecting text you could press shift f8 for example and the text would be copyed with out formatting. Wonder if we really need a window-eyes feature for this. Maybe an app might do the trick. Also how about the ability to append to the clipboard Hmm now that I think of it buttons alt c copy to clipboard alt+a append to clipboard. Alt w with formatting radio button. Alt+o with out formatting radio button. Alt r reset selection. This should all be possible with the f8 command. If text is already selected with the shift arrows the first press of this key should act like the second press if f8 is used to select. This way you have all the needed options. What you think.
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Bushman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 4:38 PM To: 'Jim Grimsby Jr.' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Selecting text Hi Jim, I agree with the productive and educational conversation and appreciate that very much. We can all learn together and I welcome and this is wonderful. However, I have seen on these lists often times a tone of unkindness and a general arguing about things that in my personal views are not helpful or productive. When people complain or have a hard time with change it's because they were depending on something they have lost that they need. I do realize that some times changes make things better and if we are not forced to learn new things we can't progress. It's when jobs depend on things that is when we really need to look hard at how to help. Henter Joyce of old was fantastic at that! Most times when you create an rss feed there is a web site portal that doesn't give you the ability to strip formatting from text. Often times people give you lots of different formatted information and WE was great because whenever I would cut and paste it all would be well. Now that WE has changed it's like a loss of a feature for me. I do recognize that it wasn't a promoted feature and that having the ability to keep the formatting is most helpful in more situations. I just think the ability to do both is the best of all worlds.. I also think whenever windows has standards ... let's not leave those standards behind. Keep in mind it's nice to cut and paste to a word document and strip all formatting so the text is easier to work with out all the formatting chatter. Just my thoughts. Thanks, Sam -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby Jr. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 5:00 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Selecting text Hi Sam, Dealing with issues as to why you might need a thing or in some cases finding out what works best for people is a very useful conversation. You are dealing with a limited amount of resources thus things need to be allocated a priority. Also in some cases a user might have never thought to do a thing in a way that is being described. There for asking why would you want to do that is quite helpful. Let's take your example of dealing with rss and formatting. I had never thought of that situation so I learned something new. Does the program you are working with support the ability to paste text only, or keep source text? Microsoft word for example, and most word processers do support this. This question is being asked, because if you can use the internal utilities of the program you are working with to perform this task then it doesn't make sense to add this functionality to window-eyes. If that is the case then the window-eyes team would be better served adding more important features that allow you to perform tasks that cannot be performed now, or addressing an actual accessibility issue. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Bushman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 PM To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'gw-info' Subject: RE: Selecting text Hi tom, I am ok with the beta not having everything. I am find with: Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not yesterday. I am also fine with adding f8 to make it easier to block large amounts of text ... I am also fine with a feature that gets all the formatting. That's fantastic. I just think that the ability to deal in WE with text only has value. So, maybe in a future release that can be an option. The thing I don't like the most is the debate of who can do what faster, the you don't need that, the why would you ever want to do that stuff from some posters gets old. Thanks for listening. Sam -----Original Message----- From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:26 PM To: gw-info Subject: Re: Selecting text As we've tried to say, Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not yesterday. Tom On 11/26/2014 3:21 PM, Sam Bushman wrote: > I find it sad that instead of trying to make things work the best we can for > all users, instead of sticking with the windows standards, instead of finding > better ways to do things, instead of building in the best we can to the > program ... we are all arguing keystrokes ... telling others you don't need > that ... why the hell do you want to do that ... don't you know how to solve > problems etc ... it's amazing and sad to me. > I can do this faster than you can, my dad is stronger than your da ... it's > frickin crazy! > Sam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:17 PM > To: gw-info > Subject: Re: Selecting text > > Aaron. You forgot to assign a hot key to Notepad and shave a few more > seconds off your time. And I thought you were a power user. :) > > Tom > > > On 11/26/2014 3:12 PM, Aaron Smith wrote: >> On my machine, given the time it takes to shut Window-Eyes down, launch >> NVDA, refresh the page (since NVDA typically doesn't like being launched on >> an existing page), locate the text, select it, copy it, close NVDA, >> re-launch Window-Eyes, then find where I wanted to paste it, then paste it, >> the difference is at least 30 seconds. Whereas Windows-R, notepad, enter, >> paste, control-a, control-x, alt-f4 takes me literally seconds. >> >> But, as I mentioned, if that's drives your success, then all the power in >> the world to you. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aaron >> > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. 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