Hello, everyone.
First of all, I am not on the beta, so just following this whole thread
and its siblings, with some curosity. I do have a few questions, as to
the F8 selection feature, and hope someone could clarify these points.
First of all, there's been alot of talk about the possibility to copy
formatted and non-formatted text. I am a little bewildered here. For a
while, we have had a feature - offered through the IE-Enhance app, to
quickly move through a table or list of a website, for instance, and
have it copied to the clipboard. The way I get it, the new embedded
feature is somehow an expansion of this functionality. Am I right this
far, or have I already lost the whole point. Why I am bringing it all
out, is that in the dialog the app pops up under WE8.4, there is a
chance to have things copied either with or without formatting. In other
words, it seems from the way I read the thread, that somehow we have
lost an existing feature, for the benefit of gaining a few more
possibilities. Sorry if I have misunderstood something here.
Agree, it sounds strange not to have the Shift-arrow selection there.
Glad to hear they are going to bring it back. Hope that they could do
that before the final release. Funny, but for all the thirteen years I
have been operating Windows-based systems, and under several screen
readers, I have always been using the Shift-Arrowing, when selecting any
text on the screen. Guess - from what I can see - I have not been on my
own. Smiles.
My next question in this regard, has to do with the operation in
Thunderbird. F8, natively is a hotkey in Thunderbird, for turning on and
off the preview pane of the mail client. All security instructions seen,
tell us to turn off the preview pane, and keep it in that state.
(actually too bad that Thunderbird by default has it turned on). The
Preview pane, can open for malware to creep in on your system, when you
scroll through your inbox. Well, you all have guessed my question, I
would assume. Really, what happens when you press F8 in Thunderbird -
either in the list of mails, or in the reading window of any received
mail? Who does see the F8 stroke - Thunderbird, or Window-Eyes?
OK, I know. GW cannot prevent any of their keystrokes from corresponding
with the keystrokes of any software on this planet. And the user can
always redefine F8 to something that will not conflict. Yet, if I am a
new user, not knowing about the F8-functionality in Thunderbird, just
downloading and installing the screen reader in its newest version, it
is of interest to know if that potentially could pose an indirect
security challenge on my system. Would be nice to have some user
feedback here, or some clarification from the staff.
David
On 11/28/2014 1:00 AM, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
Hi Sam,
Dealing with issues as to why you might need a thing or in some cases finding
out what works best for people is a very useful conversation. You are dealing
with a limited amount of resources thus things need to be allocated a priority.
Also in some cases a user might have never thought to do a thing in a way that
is being described. There for asking why would you want to do that is quite
helpful. Let's take your example of dealing with rss and formatting. I had
never thought of that situation so I learned something new.
Does the program you are working with support the ability to paste text only,
or keep source text? Microsoft word for example, and most word processers do
support this. This question is being asked, because if you can use the
internal utilities of the program you are working with to perform this task
then it doesn't make sense to add this functionality to window-eyes. If that
is the case then the window-eyes team would be better served adding more
important features that allow you to perform tasks that cannot be performed
now, or addressing an actual accessibility issue.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Bushman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'gw-info'
Subject: RE: Selecting text
Hi tom,
I am ok with the beta not having everything.
I am find with:
Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not yesterday.
I am also fine with adding f8 to make it easier to block large amounts of text
... I am also fine with a feature that gets all the formatting. That's
fantastic.
I just think that the ability to deal in WE with text only has value.
So, maybe in a future release that can be an option.
The thing I don't like the most is the debate of who can do what faster, the
you don't need that, the why would you ever want to do that stuff from some
posters gets old.
Thanks for listening.
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:26 PM
To: gw-info
Subject: Re: Selecting text
As we've tried to say, Shift-Arrow selection is coming ... just not
yesterday.
Tom
On 11/26/2014 3:21 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
I find it sad that instead of trying to make things work the best we can for
all users, instead of sticking with the windows standards, instead of finding
better ways to do things, instead of building in the best we can to the program
... we are all arguing keystrokes ... telling others you don't need that ...
why the hell do you want to do that ... don't you know how to solve problems
etc ... it's amazing and sad to me.
I can do this faster than you can, my dad is stronger than your da ... it's
frickin crazy!
Sam
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:17 PM
To: gw-info
Subject: Re: Selecting text
Aaron. You forgot to assign a hot key to Notepad and shave a few more
seconds off your time. And I thought you were a power user. :)
Tom
On 11/26/2014 3:12 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:
On my machine, given the time it takes to shut Window-Eyes down, launch NVDA,
refresh the page (since NVDA typically doesn't like being launched on an
existing page), locate the text, select it, copy it, close NVDA, re-launch
Window-Eyes, then find where I wanted to paste it, then paste it, the
difference is at least 30 seconds. Whereas Windows-R, notepad, enter, paste,
control-a, control-x, alt-f4 takes me literally seconds.
But, as I mentioned, if that's drives your success, then all the power in the
world to you.
Thanks,
Aaron
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