Yes, that's the case. Logically, your 6GB partition is along a fixed sector
boundary. Any OS-level reads/writes will be to those sectors. However, the
SSD controller maintains its own mapping table, and will re-map writes to
those sectors to potentially any page/block on the drive based on previous
writes. The aim of the controller is to keep every block on the SSD with an
equal number of program/erase (P/E) cycles--the intention, of course, to
prevent any given block from wearing out before the others. The net result
is that writes in XP w/o TRIM could degrade the performance of any and every
page/block on the SSD.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hardware [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Winterlight
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

Greg,

Unfortunately, The X41 Thinkpad Tablet uses an strange oddball 1.8 inch
drive that is a SATA drive but with a PATA front end... yeah I know.... and
the only one available is made by a Chinese company called KingsSpec...so
there is no utility. It breaks down to

I am surprised I don't see the usual 100MB hidden parititon in win7 C Win7 =
52.62 D  XP = 6.34

I used Paragon to partition it in such a way that the  XP partition was
created and first installed in a primary partition that was at the bottom
6GB of the drive... so to speak... leaving free space in front of the XP
partition. When I installed win7 there was 52 GB of free space in front of
the XP partition.  Even after install there is 25GB of unused space in the
Win7 partition.

Are you saying that even though I set it up like this and it appears like
this in partitioning software, the SSD itself has data from both operating
systems written and mapped randomly all over the drive and XP is not
confined in a particular region of the SSD?

m


At 03:45 PM 8/2/2014, you wrote:
>No. The TRIM command is only sent upon a triggering action--in Windows, 
>that's deleting a file or performing a format. It's worth noting that 
>you also need to be in AHCI mode for TRIM to function.
>
>It's similarly worth pointing out that the impact of using XP will not 
>be limited to the XP partition. The drive controller's wear-leveling 
>algorithm obfuscates the true NAND block for every logical sector 
>write, meaning that your XP data will be spread across all of the 
>blocks in the drive (leaving blocks that have not been erased everywhere).
>
>With only casual use of XP, it's unlikely to be a major problem, but I 
>do recommend using a drive with manufacturer-supplied utilities that 
>can "optimize" the drive. Just run that occasionally within W7 and you 
>should be fine.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hardware [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>Behalf Of Winterlight
>Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:08 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [H] SSD and XP ?
>
>
>I am in the process of taking a old Thinkpad X41 Tablet,that had Win7 
>on it and setting it up to multiboot new installs of . Win7 PRO SP1 and
XPProSP3.
>XP is installed and uses a 6GB partition. The only purpose of running 
>XP is to run a single legacy USB device. There is nothing else 
>installed on XP.I won't be using a browser or anything on the internet.
>
>   The laptop will primary use Win7 PRO. So will Win7 pro Trim the XP 
>partition when it is booted up? Thanks m
>
>At 12:08 PM 8/2/2014, you wrote:
> >XP doesn't support TRIM, the lack of which can slow SSDs down over time.
> >Some handle it better than others. If it's a Samsung or Intel, 
> >install the manufacturer's utility and run the optimization. If it's 
> >anything else, the drive needs secure erased.
> >
> >Staying with XP should not be considered an option. Same goes for 
> >MSE, since it has turned to crap.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Hardware [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> >Behalf Of FORC5
> >Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 1:38 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [H] SSD and XP ?
> >
> >Any long term problem putting a SSD in XP ? What should I check ?
> >
> >Have one here with a SSD that has really slowed down. Not sure yet if 
> >the SSD or something else. Right off MSE went dormant so I need to 
> >remove and replace with something.
> >Older Toshiba laptop. Them getting anything newer is not a option. I 
> >do have some regular laptop drives I could put in.
> >thanks
> >fp
> >
> >Date:  Saturday, August 2nd, 2014
> >
> >          ***Caution Tagline Below***
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