http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started. html#Disclaimer http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/developers_guide .html - these seem to have apache and intel copyright (can be resolved) + the Unicode disclaimer.
Thank you, Nadya Morozova >-----Original Message----- >From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:14 PM >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >outdated > >what's the link we're talking about? > >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: >> What about the portions of the Unicode copyright? >> >> Thank you, >> Nadya Morozova >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM >>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >>> outdated >>> >>> as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright. if it's an ASF >>> copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be >>> auto-generated at the bottom anyway) >>> >>> >>> geir >>> >>> >>> Egor Pasko wrote: >>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM >>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" >> is >>>>>> outdated >>>>>> >>>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>> Ok, >>>>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get >> an >>>>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then >> work >>>>> to >>>>>>> improve it. >>>>>> OK, I am "watching" it >>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some >> how-tos. >>>>>> To summarize: >>>>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for >>>>>> eclipse+drlvm page) >>>>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of >>>>>> links we have" >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I right? >>>>> [Nadya] >>>>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out >>>>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect. >>>> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law, >>>> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I >>>> desire to look at on the "getting started" page. >>>> >>>>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all >> your >>>>> help. >>>> u r welcome >>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM >>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" >> is >>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions >>>>> of >>>>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - >> it's >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this >> "How >>>>> to >>>>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM >>>>>>> Command-line >>>>>>>> Args Tutorial"? >>>>>>> on Wikipedia: >>>>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to >>>>>>> accomplish >>>>>>> some specific task >>>>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for >>>>> the >>>>>>> purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes, I mix those terms :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on >>>>> another >>>>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a >> short >>>>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options, >>>>>>> solving >>>>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc. >>>>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help? >>>>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the >> howto >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM >>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" >>>>> is >>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>> Alexei, >>>>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think >>>>> ours >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a >> tutorial. >>>>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one day. >>>>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy >>>>> to >>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for VIM >> :) >>>>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then >>>>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM >>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't >>>>> need >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use >>>>> Harmony >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best regards, >>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov, >>>>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >>>>> DRL" >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove all >>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>> and write something like following: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other >>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here >>>>> goes >>>>>>>>> link to >>>>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any other Java VM. >>>>> For >>>>>>>>>> commonly >>>>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page (link >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> Salikh's >>>>>>>>>>> page or to the document)." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor! >>>>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started doc? >>>>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony >>>>> operates >>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics >>>>> is >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting on Wiki for an >>>>> extra >>>>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting the >>>>> page). >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started". So, >>>>> +1 >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for >>>>>>> improvement >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> him: >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm, Tomcat >>>>> has >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something as soon as we >>>>> get >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems should be >>>>>>>>> reported >>>>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something like >>>>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto to the >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >>>>> with >>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving navigation over >>>>> the >>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure >>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance >>>>> info. I >>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages we have are mostly >>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead site visitors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific >>>>> project-oriented >>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>> There, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>, >>>>>>>>> <link>build</link> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start using it just as any >>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk. With the exceptions, see >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need to use the following >>>>>>>>> options... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our VM, they can visit the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link> page. If no website page contains >>>>> an >>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But this morning >>>>> I >>>>>>>> woke >>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the eye of a beginner. >>>>> And >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main structure. Left-side >>>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level >>>>>>>>> navigation >>>>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the project, how they >>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find something. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back to work.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >>>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >>>>> collection >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with short >>>>>>> descriptions >>>>>>>>> ("Site >>>>>>>>>>>>> Map" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable >>>>> floating >>>>>>>>> around in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> web. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having links to the resources >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> DRLVM: >>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map", a collection of >>>>>>> links. >>>>>>>>> Short >>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >>>>>>>> (omitting >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will the page contain vm-only >>>>>>>>> options? >>>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all in one place, but >>>>> we >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic options for every >>>>> component >>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for any user. The place for >>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's Guide for a >>>>> component. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used" options. They can >>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary. I would group >>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious substance >>>>> for >>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need to work it out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation events" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need to know >>>>> about >>>>>>>> JITs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps users to investigate >>>>>>>> problems, >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on users' input faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set of most commonly >>>>> used >>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> me. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here, we can sum them up >>>>> quickly >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular options. How >>>>> about >>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options is a >>>>> kind >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> limit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Egor >>>>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:51 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >>>>> started >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's grief at the sight of >>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However, I'd not hurry to >>>>> eliminate >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some of its contents, change >>>>>>>>> structure, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but please think carefully before >>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started (as the title shows) is >>>>> aimed >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know that many primarily >>>>>>> interested >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture, internal specifics. >>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used. AFAIK, Getting started >>>>> is >>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how to use our vm. You tell >>>>> people >>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost nothing about how to run and >>>>>>>>> configure >>>>>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to think of what you want >>>>> to >>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without eclipse specifics. And >>>>> store >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard - and I offer my help and >>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative. Any thoughts? i might be >>>>>>>>> inobjective >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone coming across Harmony >>>>> knows >>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility, and we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities are gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started" (also because of >>>>>>>>> irritating >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >>>>>>>> (omitting >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >>>>> collection >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with short >>>>>>> descriptions >>>>>>>>> ("Site >>>>>>>>>>>>> Map" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable >>>>> floating >>>>>>>>> around in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> web. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write a documenation once, it's >>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need this page today? AFAIU users >>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>> Harmony >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps as RI.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through the "Getting Started with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony web and found it >>>>> completely >>>>>>>>>> outdated, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the term DRL is used instead of DRLVM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh are obsolete - >>>>> we >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run Eclipse. It can be started with DRLVM >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - We don't need to set PATH and >>>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH >>>>>>>>> anymore, >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows/MSVC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ij was renamed to java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step to unification with other >>>>> Java >>>>>>> VMs >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything specific to run Eclipse, >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info the document would contain >>>>> only >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think we can move this list to a >>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>> document >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?) and remove the "Getting >>>>>>> Started" >>>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Egor Pasko >>
