Successfully added a patch to fix getting Started outdated content to http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150. The patch is not final - need help to add more content. The current structure is: - overview - running an app - eclipse-related (now much shorter) -- running an app -- debugging an app - configuring vm operation (empty)
Questions: how do you like the current patch? Do you think we can add a link to debugging vm&jit doc (or to wiki)? Any ideas on what to write in Configuring vm operation? Thank you, Nadya Morozova >-----Original Message----- >From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:00 PM >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >outdated > >On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >> >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM >> >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >> >outdated >> > >> >On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >> >> Ok, >> >> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get an >> >> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then work >> to >> >> improve it. >> > >> >OK, I am "watching" it >> > >> >> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some how-tos. >> > >> >To summarize: >> >* we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for >> > eclipse+drlvm page) >> >* we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of >> > links we have" >> > >> >Am I right? >> >> [Nadya] >> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out >> copyrights and update info that is incorrect. > >remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law, >not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I >desire to look at on the "getting started" page. > >> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all your >> help. > >u r welcome > >> > >> >> Thank you, >> >> Nadya Morozova >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM >> >> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >> >> outdated >> >> >> >> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >> >> > Egor, >> >> > I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions >> of >> >> > various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - it's >> >> more >> >> > of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this "How >> to >> >> > write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM >> >> Command-line >> >> > Args Tutorial"? >> >> >> >> on Wikipedia: >> >> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to >> >> accomplish >> >> some specific task >> >> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for >> the >> >> purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks >> >> >> >> yes, I mix those terms :) >> >> >> >> > As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on >> another >> >> > page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a short >> >> > howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options, >> >> solving >> >> > typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc. >> >> > Does anybody volunteer to help? >> >> >> >> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the howto >> >> >> >> > Thank you, >> >> > Nadya Morozova >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM >> >> > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" >> is >> >> > outdated >> >> > >> >> > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >> >> > > Alexei, >> >> > > Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think >> ours >> >> > is >> >> > > ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial. >> >> > >> >> > we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :) >> >> > >> >> > > So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one day. >> >> > > If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy >> to >> >> > help >> >> > > though. >> >> > >> >> > well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for VIM :) >> >> > some contraversal inside me..fighting..done >> >> > >> >> > let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then >> >> > "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that? >> >> > >> >> > > Thank you, >> >> > > Nadya Morozova >> >> > > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM >> >> > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >> >> DRL" >> >> > is >> >> > > outdated >> >> > > >> >> > > Guys, >> >> > > >> >> > > I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't >> need >> >> > the >> >> > > VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful. >> >> > > >> >> > > +1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes >> >> > > >> >> > > Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use >> Harmony >> >> > for >> >> > > Harmony development. I liked that idea. >> >> > > >> >> > > With best regards, >> >> > > Alexei Fedotov, >> >> > > Intel Java & XML Engineering >> >> > > >> >> > > >-----Original Message----- >> >> > > >From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >> >> > > >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM >> >> > > >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >> DRL" >> >> is >> >> > > >outdated >> >> > > > >> >> > > >On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote: >> >> > > >> Nadya, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove all >> >> current >> >> > > >content >> >> > > >> and write something like following: >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other >> >> Java >> >> > > >> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here >> goes >> >> > > link to >> >> > > >> readme with build instructions) and run as any other Java VM. >> For >> >> > > >commonly >> >> > > >> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page (link >> to >> >> > > >Salikh's >> >> > > >> page or to the document)." >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> What do you think? >> >> > > > >> >> > > >1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :) >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> Thanks, >> >> > > >> Pavel >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >> >> > > >> > > Good day to you, Egor! >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > evening, dark and snowy evening :) >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > What do you say about the getting started doc? >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony >> operates >> >> > near >> >> > > >> > the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics >> is >> >> in >> >> > > >> > extra options which we started collecting on Wiki for an >> extra >> >> > > >> > HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting the >> page). >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started". So, >> +1 >> >> to >> >> > > Pavel >> >> > > >> > Ozhdikhin here. >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for >> >> improvement >> >> > > from >> >> > > >> > him: >> >> > > >> > 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm, Tomcat >> has >> >> it >> >> > > with >> >> > > >> > links to google search. We can have something as soon as we >> get >> >> > to >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> > desired TLP :) >> >> > > >> > 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems should be >> >> > > reported >> >> > > >> > to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something like >> >> > > >> > "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto to the >> >> mailing >> >> > > list >> >> > > >:) >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > Thank you, >> >> > > >> > > Nadya Morozova >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> > > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >> >> Pasko >> >> > > >> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM >> >> > > >> > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > >> > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >> with >> >> > DRL" >> >> > > is >> >> > > >> > > outdated >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > Egor, >> >> > > >> > > > I generally like the idea of improving navigation over >> the >> >> > site >> >> > > - >> >> > > >> > > > there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure >> >> > whether >> >> > > we >> >> > > >need >> >> > > >> > > > yet another separate page for introductory/guidance >> info. I >> >> > > hope >> >> > > >the >> >> > > >> > > > starting page + the generic pages we have are mostly >> fine. >> >> > > However, >> >> > > >> > > > adding a link here and there to lead site visitors. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Getting started could be a more specific >> project-oriented >> >> > page. >> >> > > >There, >> >> > > >> > > > you can tell people to go <link>download</link>, >> >> > > <link>build</link> >> >> > > >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > > code. After which, they can start using it just as any >> >> other >> >> > > >> > > > <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk. With the exceptions, see >> >> our >> >> > > >> > > > <link>wiki</link> pages. >> >> > > >> > > > To use the vm, readers might need to use the following >> >> > > options... >> >> > > >> > > > If they want to read more on our VM, they can visit the >> >> > > >> > > > <link>component</link> page. If no website page contains >> an >> >> > > answer >> >> > > >- >> >> > > >> > > > they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>. >> >> > > >> > > > .. or something like that :) >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But this morning >> I >> >> > woke >> >> > > up >> >> > > >> > > and looked the site structure with the eye of a beginner. >> And >> >> > > could >> >> > > >> > > not find any obvius flaws in the main structure. Left-side >> >> > > collection >> >> > > >> > > of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level >> >> > > navigation >> >> > > >> > > and contains almost all links you listed here. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > This was a really refreshing morning :) >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > I'll ask some guys who are new to the project, how they >> feel >> >> > > about >> >> > > >the >> >> > > >> > > site. And will report back, if I find something. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > Refreshing morning is over, now back to work.. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > Thank you, >> >> > > >> > > > Nadya Morozova >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> > > > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >> >> > Pasko >> >> > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM >> >> > > >> > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >> >> with >> >> > > DRL" >> >> > > >is >> >> > > >> > > > outdated >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin >> wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > > On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > >wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > Egor, >> >> > > >> > > > > > +1 for >> >> > > >> > > > > > Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >> collection >> >> of >> >> > > links >> >> > > >to >> >> > > >> > > > the >> >> > > >> > > > > > main website and other resources with short >> >> descriptions >> >> > > ("Site >> >> > > >> > > Map" >> >> > > >> > > > > > or something) so that people are comfortable >> floating >> >> > > around in >> >> > > >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > > web. >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > We already have one page having links to the resources >> >> > about >> >> > > >DRLVM: >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html >> >> > > >> > > > > Why do you think we need another one? >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > because it is only DRLVM. >> >> > > >> > > > I think of something like "site map", a collection of >> >> links. >> >> > > Short >> >> > > >> > > > descriptions to some basic ones. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > +1 for >> >> > > >> > > > > > * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >> >> > (omitting >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > word >> >> > > >> > > > > > "supported" intentionally) >> >> > > >> > > > > > Question on this one: will the page contain vm-only >> >> > > options? >> >> > > >What >> >> > > >> > > > about >> >> > > >> > > > > > JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all in one place, but >> we >> >> > have >> >> > > >> > > separate >> >> > > >> > > > > > docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you say? >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > I think we can describe basic options for every >> component >> >> > > there. >> >> > > >> > > Only >> >> > > >> > > > those >> >> > > >> > > > > that might be interesting for any user. The place for >> >> other >> >> > > >options >> >> > > >> > > is >> >> > > >> > > > in >> >> > > >> > > > > the run-time help or Developer's Guide for a >> component. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > I thought of "most commonly used" options. They can >> >> possibly >> >> > be >> >> > > >> > > > grouped by components, but not necessary. I would group >> >> them >> >> > by >> >> > > >> > > > use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious substance >> for >> >> > me. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > So, the list is not obvious, we need to work it out. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > I see it like HOWTOs. For example: >> >> > > >> > > > "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler" >> >> > > >> > > > "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler" >> >> > > >> > > > "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation events" >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need to know >> about >> >> > JITs >> >> > > >> > > > switching?". I say YES, it helps users to investigate >> >> > problems, >> >> > > >which >> >> > > >> > > > helps us, developers, to react on users' input faster. >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Other options? I can enlist the set of most commonly >> used >> >> by >> >> > > me. If >> >> > > >> > > > many of us put their lists here, we can sum them up >> quickly >> >> > and >> >> > > >make >> >> > > >> > > > a good (really useful) list of popular options. How >> about >> >> > that? >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options is a >> kind >> >> of >> >> > > limit >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> >> > > >> > > > > Pavel >> >> > > >> > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > Thank you, >> >> > > >> > > > > > Nadya Morozova >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> > > > > > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> >> Egor >> >> > > Pasko >> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:51 AM >> >> > > >> > > > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >> started >> >> > > with >> >> > > >DRL" >> >> > > >> > > is >> >> > > >> > > > > > outdated >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > > > > All, >> >> > > >> > > > > > > I'd like to share everyone's grief at the sight of >> >> > > outdated >> >> > > >> > > > Getting >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Started document. However, I'd not hurry to >> eliminate >> >> > the >> >> > > >page >> >> > > >> > > as >> >> > > >> > > > > > such. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > We might reconsider some of its contents, change >> >> > > structure, >> >> > > >and >> >> > > >> > > > update >> >> > > >> > > > > > > individual bits, but please think carefully before >> >> > > removing >> >> > > >the >> >> > > >> > > > page. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > I think Getting Started (as the title shows) is >> aimed >> >> > to >> >> > > help >> >> > > >a >> >> > > >> > > > newbie >> >> > > >> > > > > > > work with our vm. I know that many primarily >> >> interested >> >> > > in >> >> > > >other >> >> > > >> > > > > > things >> >> > > >> > > > > > > - conformance, architecture, internal specifics. >> >> > However, >> >> > > we >> >> > > >> > > > should >> >> > > >> > > > > > also >> >> > > >> > > > > > > think how the vm is used. AFAIK, Getting started >> is >> >> now >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > *only* >> >> > > >> > > > doc >> >> > > >> > > > > > > that tries to show how to use our vm. You tell >> people >> >> > how >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> > > > download >> >> > > >> > > > > > > and build, but almost nothing about how to run and >> >> > > configure >> >> > > >> > > (with >> >> > > >> > > > the >> >> > > >> > > > > > > exception of EM/JIT). >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > My suggestion would be to think of what you want >> to >> >> > tell >> >> > > >people >> >> > > >> > > > about >> >> > > >> > > > > > > usage - with or without eclipse specifics. And >> store >> >> > this >> >> > > >info >> >> > > >> > > on >> >> > > >> > > > the >> >> > > >> > > > > > > page. I know it is hard - and I offer my help and >> >> > support >> >> > > in >> >> > > >> > > this >> >> > > >> > > > > > > burdensome initiative. Any thoughts? i might be >> >> > > inobjective >> >> > > >and >> >> > > >> > > > > > > emotional :) >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > Nadya, >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > I believe, almost everyone coming across Harmony >> knows >> >> > how >> >> > > to >> >> > > >use >> >> > > >> > > > > > J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility, and we >> >> are >> >> > > happy >> >> > > >> > > that >> >> > > >> > > > > > all DRLVM-specific pecularities are gone. >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > So, I vote for: >> >> > > >> > > > > > * removing the "Getting Started" (also because of >> >> > > irritating >> >> > > >> > > windows >> >> > > >> > > > > > screenshots:) >> >> > > >> > > > > > * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >> >> > (omitting >> >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > word >> >> > > >> > > > > > "supported" intentionally) >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >> collection >> >> of >> >> > > links >> >> > > >to >> >> > > >> > > > the >> >> > > >> > > > > > main website and other resources with short >> >> descriptions >> >> > > ("Site >> >> > > >> > > Map" >> >> > > >> > > > > > or something) so that people are comfortable >> floating >> >> > > around in >> >> > > >> > > the >> >> > > >> > > > web. >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > >> > > > > > > From: Mikhail Fursov >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:03 PM >> >> > > >> > > > > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >> >> started >> >> > > with >> >> > > >> > > DRL" >> >> > > >> > > > is >> >> > > >> > > > > > > outdated >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > It's not a hard to write a documenation once, it's >> >> hard >> >> > > to >> >> > > >> > > support >> >> > > >> > > > it >> >> > > >> > > > > > :) >> >> > > >> > > > > > > More problems: >> >> > > >> > > > > > > 1) -Xem options are obsolete. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > 3) Do we really need this page today? AFAIU users >> >> > expect >> >> > > >Harmony >> >> > > >> > > > VM is >> >> > > >> > > > > > > able >> >> > > >> > > > > > > to run the same apps as RI.. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > ? >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > > >wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all, >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > I've read through the "Getting Started with >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > DRL< >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >> >> > > . >> >> > > >> > > > > > > html >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >" >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > document on the Harmony web and found it >> completely >> >> > > >outdated, >> >> > > >> > > > for >> >> > > >> > > > > > > example: >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > - the term DRL is used instead of DRLVM >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh are obsolete - >> we >> >> > don't >> >> > > >need >> >> > > >> > > > them >> >> > > >> > > > > > > anymore >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > to run Eclipse. It can be started with DRLVM >> the >> >> > > same >> >> > > >way >> >> > > >> > > as >> >> > > >> > > > with >> >> > > >> > > > > > > any >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > other >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > VM. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > - We don't need to set PATH and >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH >> >> > > anymore, >> >> > > >at >> >> > > >> > > > least >> >> > > >> > > > > > > on >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Windows/MSVC >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > - ij was renamed to java >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > We took a big step to unification with other >> Java >> >> VMs >> >> > > and >> >> > > >now >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > we don't need anything specific to run Eclipse, >> for >> >> > > >example. >> >> > > >> > > > After >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > removing >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > all irrelevant info the document would contain >> only >> >> > the >> >> > > >list >> >> > > >> > > of >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > command-line >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > options. I think we can move this list to a >> >> separate >> >> > > >document >> >> > > >> > > > (Wiki, >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Developer's Guide?) and remove the "Getting >> >> Started" >> >> > > >itself. >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Any opinions? >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks, >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Pavel >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > < >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >> >> > > . >> >> > > >> > > > > > > html >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > -- >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Mikhail Fursov >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > -- >> >> > > >> > > > > > Egor Pasko >> >> > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > -- >> >> > > >> > > > Egor Pasko >> >> > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> >> > > >> > > Egor Pasko >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > -- >> >> > > >> > Egor Pasko >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >-- >> >> > > >Egor Pasko >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Egor Pasko >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Egor Pasko >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >Egor Pasko >> > >-- >Egor Pasko
