Ok, thanks. I somehow feel dumb with anything that deals with legal - copyrights, contracts, licenses...oh! I'd erase all excess disclaimers from our website with pleasure :)
Thank you, Nadya Morozova >-----Original Message----- >From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:45 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >outdated > >"Additional terms from the Database" ? LOL > >Just get rid of it all. Those terms are in our notice file, and that's >enough. Unicode didn't put them there, anyway. > >geir > > >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started. >> html#Disclaimer >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/developers_guide >> .html - these seem to have apache and intel copyright (can be resolved) >> + the Unicode disclaimer. >> >> Thank you, >> Nadya Morozova >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:14 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >>> outdated >>> >>> what's the link we're talking about? >>> >>> Morozova, Nadezhda wrote: >>>> What about the portions of the Unicode copyright? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Nadya Morozova >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is >>>>> outdated >>>>> >>>>> as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright. if it's an >> ASF >>>>> copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be >>>>> auto-generated at the bottom anyway) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> geir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egor Pasko wrote: >>>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" >>>> is >>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>> Ok, >>>>>>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to >> get >>>> an >>>>>>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then >>>> work >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> improve it. >>>>>>>> OK, I am "watching" it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some >>>> how-tos. >>>>>>>> To summarize: >>>>>>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are >> for >>>>>>>> eclipse+drlvm page) >>>>>>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of >>>>>>>> links we have" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am I right? >>>>>>> [Nadya] >>>>>>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment >> out >>>>>>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect. >>>>>> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright >> law, >>>>>> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I >>>>>> desire to look at on the "getting started" page. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all >>>> your >>>>>>> help. >>>>>> u r welcome >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >> DRL" >>>> is >>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our >> perceptions >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - >>>> it's >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this >>>> "How >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM >>>>>>>>> Command-line >>>>>>>>>> Args Tutorial"? >>>>>>>>> on Wikipedia: >>>>>>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to >>>>>>>>> accomplish >>>>>>>>> some specific task >>>>>>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created >> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes, I mix those terms :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on >>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a >>>> short >>>>>>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options, >>>>>>>>> solving >>>>>>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc. >>>>>>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help? >>>>>>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the >>>> howto >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >> DRL" >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Alexei, >>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not >> think >>>>>>> ours >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a >>>> tutorial. >>>>>>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good tutorial ... one day. >>>>>>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be >> happy >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for >> VIM >>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and >> then >>>>>>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >> with >>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't >>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use >>>>>>> Harmony >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov, >>>>>>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with >>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove all >>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>> and write something like following: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from >> other >>>>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here >>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>>>> link to >>>>>>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any other Java >> VM. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>>>>> commonly >>>>>>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page >> (link >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> Salikh's >>>>>>>>>>>>> page or to the document)." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started doc? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony >>>>>>> operates >>>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting on Wiki for an >>>>>>> extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting the >>>>>>> page). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started". So, >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for >>>>>>>>> improvement >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> him: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm, Tomcat >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something as soon as we >>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems should be >>>>>>>>>>> reported >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something >> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto to the >>>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >>>>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving navigation over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However, I am not sure >>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance >>>>>>> info. I >>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages we have are mostly >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead site visitors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific >>>>>>> project-oriented >>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>>>> There, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>, >>>>>>>>>>> <link>build</link> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start using it just as any >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk. With the exceptions, see >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need to use the following >>>>>>>>>>> options... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our VM, they can visit the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link> page. If no website page contains >>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But this morning >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> woke >>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the eye of a beginner. >>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main structure. Left-side >>>>>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level >>>>>>>>>>> navigation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the project, how they >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back to work.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Egor >>>>>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with short >>>>>>>>> descriptions >>>>>>>>>>> ("Site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Map" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable >>>>>>> floating >>>>>>>>>>> around in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having links to the resources >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> DRLVM: >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map", a collection of >>>>>>>>> links. >>>>>>>>>>> Short >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >>>>>>>>>> (omitting >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will the page contain vm-only >>>>>>>>>>> options? >>>>>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all in one place, but >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic options for every >>>>>>> component >>>>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for any user. The place for >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's Guide for a >>>>>>> component. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used" options. They can >>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary. I would group >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious substance >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need to work it out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation events" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need to know >>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> JITs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps users to investigate >>>>>>>>>> problems, >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on users' input faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set of most commonly >>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> me. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here, we can sum them up >>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular options. How >>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options is a >>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> limit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Egor >>>>>>>>>>> Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:51 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's grief at the sight of >>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However, I'd not hurry to >>>>>>> eliminate >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some of its contents, change >>>>>>>>>>> structure, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but please think carefully before >>>>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started (as the title shows) is >>>>>>> aimed >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know that many primarily >>>>>>>>> interested >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture, internal specifics. >>>>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used. AFAIK, Getting started >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how to use our vm. You tell >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost nothing about how to run and >>>>>>>>>>> configure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to think of what you want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without eclipse specifics. And >>>>>>> store >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard - and I offer my help and >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative. Any thoughts? i might be >>>>>>>>>>> inobjective >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone coming across Harmony >>>>>>> knows >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility, and we >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities are gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started" (also because of >>>>>>>>>>> irritating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options for DRLVM" >>>>>>>>>> (omitting >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain a >>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with short >>>>>>>>> descriptions >>>>>>>>>>> ("Site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Map" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable >>>>>>> floating >>>>>>>>>>> around in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov >>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 6:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting >>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write a documenation once, it's >>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need this page today? AFAIU users >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>>>> Harmony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps as RI.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin >>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through the "Getting Started with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony web and found it >>>>>>> completely >>>>>>>>>>>> outdated, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the term DRL is used instead of DRLVM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh are obsolete - >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run Eclipse. It can be started with DRLVM >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - We don't need to set PATH and >>>>>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH >>>>>>>>>>> anymore, >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows/MSVC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ij was renamed to java >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step to unification with other >>>>>>> Java >>>>>>>>> VMs >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything specific to run Eclipse, >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info the document would contain >>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think we can move this list to a >>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>>>> document >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?) and remove the "Getting >>>>>>>>> Started" >>>>>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Egor Pasko >>
