Amen Brother:-) Jason
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gigabit Nick Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:48 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Emulated environments are slower. The reason; Almost any significant work done inside the emulator has to be translated into the host OS's API and then run by the host OS before it can be completed, thus adding extra steps into the execution process. This includes everything from thread creation and memory allocation through to Disk and Network IO. If you add into that the fact that instead of processing the needs of one OS a machine running an emulated system is processing the needs of two (the host and the emulated OS), there is no way that emulation will increase performance over dedicated machine of the same specification.I've done a lot of work with virtualisation and emulation and I have yet to see an emulated system run faster on the same hardware than it would do if running natively and that includes experience of VMWare, Bochs, Wine, Xen, and Parallels. The ONLY advantage I've seen to virtualization is a reduction in the need for hardware to service a dynamic need such as QA testing where you don't want 10 machines each with their own environment when 9 won't be used most of the time, having 1 machine with 10 emulated machines where you can swap saves real cash. It doesn't matter if the emulated machine needs to "load all the sub protocols and such", the host OS most will have had to already load them in order to offer support. > -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:01 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> > > Negative. If anything, the emulation increases performance due to the> fact that it doesn't load all the sub protocols and such. It uses less> memory then explorer and runs more smoothly.> > Jason> > Jason O. Washburn wrote:> > I would think it was the emulation also.> >> > Jason> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:59 AM> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> >> >> > Ummm, the emulation maybe causing issues. Try running it in Windows> > native.> >> > Jason wrote:> >> >> I'm running a 6600 gt with an amd althalon 64 in ubuntu 64 emulating> >> windows xp x64. 1 gig of ram. Its certainly poweful enough to run tfc> > >> as if it was a joke. I'll try messing with the update rate and cmd> >> rate> >>> >> [GS]Admin wrote:> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> >>> From: "chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:45 PM> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WOW, can you host stuff?> >>>>> >>>> Jason wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> My ISP just upgraded...I'm running a cable line to the house but> >>>>> fiber elsewhere. I pay for the greater upload speeds above 2.5> >>>>> megabits.> >>>>>> >>>>> Jason> >>>>>> >>> He "can" host stuff but with a residental connection it wouldn't be> >>> too great of pings times for people "outside" the network.But would> >>> probably work ok for a website with not alot of traffic.But most> >>> isp's like mine in their TOS say that its against the rules to host> >>> anything from your home connection.> >>>> >>> Now back to the topic.If tracert's and perfmon are showing good> >>> maybe> >>>> >> >> >>> it has something todo with your rates.Try turning down your> >>> rate,cl_updaterate,cl_cmdrate and your backup rate.Try something> >>>> > along> >> >>> the> >>> lines of 9999,60,40 and see if it still does it.If it does or> >>> doesn't adjust accordingly.> >>>> >>> Also have you tried messing with your audio stuff in cs?Not knowing> >>> what hardware you have kinda makes this fishing in an ocean for the> >>> lockness monster.BUT if you have built on board audio I do know at> >>> times it can do this if your cpu is overloaded.Say HLSW,STEAM and a> >>> messenger running on a 1.3 thunderbird with built on audio has> >>> caused the same issues in the past> >>> with me.If you have an x-fi card or something to that sort try> >>> updating the> >>> drivers to the newest latest and greatest. And one last thing, if> its> >>> x64 XP> >>> or Vista I know alot of people have been having sound "issues"> >>> especially> >>> with older games or hardware that's only 50%(beta drivers) supported> >>> as of> >>> late.> >>>> >>> I'll search around some and see if anyone else may be having these> >>> issues.I know last night I was having major issue with gernades> >>> blowing up and my computer would lag to all high hell,and found out> >>> my hard drive after a FS 2004 mesh install was fragmented to high> >>> hell.After the defrag all> >>>> > way> >> >>> well> >>> again and I knew that cs 1.6 wouldn't stress out an fx-60, 2 gigs or> > >>> ram and an audigy 2 zs.....Anywho hope I may have given you> >>> something else to look> >>> into.> >>>> >>> -BeNt-> >>> http://www.gorillazsouth.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >>> archives, please visit:> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >> archives,> >>> >> >> >> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > --> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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