Oops... sry, I should have read ahead. -----Original Message----- From: Gigabit Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:55 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Nough said about what? Not sure why you're pointing me at the website of a company which makes it's profits from selling emulation software, could you clarify? > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:06:14 -0500> > > http://www.transgaming.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=2&meid=-1> > > Nough said ;)> > Jason> > Adam Sando wrote:> > I've been in Virtualisation > Roadmap workshops with Microsoft and VMWare recently, and have touted figures > of approx 10-20% Host OS overhead for Virtual Server 2005 R2 running 1+ vm's; > and 8-10% Host OS overhead for Vi3.> >> > Both companies have stated that 1 > physical will always be more powerful than a host + 1 vm (comparing > like-for-like hardware specs).> >> > Some of our engineers recently did a > test of 1 physical 4-way dual-core 8216 w/32GB RAM (local SAS disks) running > Win2k3-x86, versus the same hardware (EVA connected) running Win2k3-x64 with > Virtual Server 2k5, and a bunch of vm's running the same config as the other > physical. Well, the vm's performed horribly, even with the other physical > running a 32-bit OS.> >> > Virtualisation/emulation will only solve > compatibility issues, not performance... You're deluded to think you can get > extra performance out of a VM when the host has to do all that work anyway.> > >> > Regards,> > Adam> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: "Jason O. > Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: "hlds@list.valvesoftware.com" > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> > Sent: 21-Feb-07 19:40> > Subject: RE: [hlds] > Voice causes high ping> >> > Amen Brother:-)> >> > Jason> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Gigabit Nick> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:48 AM> > To: > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> >> > >> > --> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> > Emulated > environments are slower.> >> > The reason; Almost any significant work done > inside the emulator has to> > be translated into the host OS's API and then > run by the host OS before> > it can be completed, thus adding extra steps > into the execution process.> > This includes everything from thread creation > and memory allocation> > through to Disk and Network IO. If you add into that > the fact that> > instead of processing the needs of one OS a machine running > an emulated> > system is processing the needs of two (the host and the > emulated OS),> > there is no way that emulation will increase performance > over dedicated> > machine of the same specification.I've done a lot of work > with> > virtualisation and emulation and I have yet to see an emulated > system> > run faster on the same hardware than it would do if running > natively and> > that includes experience of VMWare, Bochs, Wine, Xen, and > Parallels. The> > ONLY advantage I've seen to virtualization is a reduction > in the need> > for hardware to service a dynamic need such as QA testing > where you> > don't want 10 machines each with their own environment when 9 > won't be> > used most of the time, having 1 machine with 10 emulated machines > where> > you can swap saves real cash.> >> > It doesn't matter if the > emulated machine needs to "load all the sub> > protocols and such", the host > OS most will have had to already load them> > in order to offer support. > > -----Original Message-----> From:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > [mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason> Sent:> > Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:01 PM> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high > ping> > > Negative. If anything,> > the emulation increases performance due > to the> fact that it doesn't> > load all the sub protocols and such. It uses > less> memory then explorer> > and runs more smoothly.> > Jason> > Jason O. > Washburn wrote:> > I would> > think it was the emulation also.> >> > Jason> > >> > -----Original> > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass> >> > Sent: Tuesday, > February 20, 2007 9:59 AM> > To:> > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: > Re: [hlds] Voice causes high> > ping> >> >> > Ummm, the emulation maybe > causing issues. Try running it> > in Windows> > native.> >> > Jason wrote:> > >> >> I'm running a 6600 gt> > with an amd althalon 64 in ubuntu 64 > emulating> >> windows xp x64. 1 gig> > of ram. Its certainly poweful enough > to run tfc> > >> as if it was a> > joke. I'll try messing with the update > rate and cmd> >> rate> >>> >>> > [GS]Admin wrote:> >>> >>> ----- Original > Message -----> >>> From: "chad"> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> To: > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>> Sent:> > Monday, February 19, 2007 7:45 > PM> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes> > high ping> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > WOW, can you host stuff?> >>>>> >>>>> > Jason wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> My ISP just > upgraded...I'm running a cable> > line to the house but> >>>>> fiber > elsewhere. I pay for the greater> > upload speeds above 2.5> >>>>> megabits.> > >>>>>> >>>>> Jason> >>>>>> >>>> > He "can" host stuff but with a residental > connection it wouldn't be> >>>> > too great of pings times for people > "outside" the network.But would> >>>> > probably work ok for a website with > not alot of traffic.But most> >>>> > isp's like mine in their TOS say that > its against the rules to host> >>>> > anything from your home connection.> > >>>> >>> Now back to the topic.If> > tracert's and perfmon are showing good> > >>> maybe> >>>> >> >> >>> it has> > something todo with your rates.Try > turning down your> >>>> > rate,cl_updaterate,cl_cmdrate and your backup > rate.Try something> >>>> >> > along> >> >>> the> >>> lines of 9999,60,40 and > see if it still does> > it.If it does or> >>> doesn't adjust accordingly.> > >>>> >>> Also have> > you tried messing with your audio stuff in cs?Not > knowing> >>> what> > hardware you have kinda makes this fishing in an ocean > for the> >>>> > lockness monster.BUT if you have built on board audio I do > know at> >>>> > times it can do this if your cpu is overloaded.Say HLSW,STEAM > and a> >>>> > messenger running on a 1.3 thunderbird with built on audio has> > >>>> > caused the same issues in the past> >>> with me.If you have an x-fi > card> > or something to that sort try> >>> updating the> >>> drivers to the> > > newest latest and greatest. And one last thing, if> its> >>> x64 XP> >>>> > > or Vista I know alot of people have been having sound "issues"> >>>> > > especially> >>> with older games or hardware that's only 50%(beta> > drivers) > supported> >>> as of> >>> late.> >>>> >>> I'll search around> > some and see > if anyone else may be having these> >>> issues.I know last> > night I was > having major issue with gernades> >>> blowing up and my> > computer would lag > to all high hell,and found out> >>> my hard drive> > after a FS 2004 mesh > install was fragmented to high> >>> hell.After the> > defrag all> >>>> > way> > >> >>> well> >>> again and I knew that cs 1.6> > wouldn't stress out an > fx-60, 2 gigs or> > >>> ram and an audigy 2> > zs.....Anywho hope I may have > given you> >>> something else to look> >>>> > into.> >>>> >>> -BeNt-> >>> > http://www.gorillazsouth.com> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________> >>> To unsubscribe,> >>>>> > > edit your list preferences, or view the list> >>> archives, please> > visit:> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________> >> To> >>>>>>>> > > unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >> archives,>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> please visit:> >>>>>>>>>>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit> > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> > No virus> > > found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> >> > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing> > message.> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus> > Database: > 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit> > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit> > your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > --> No virus> > found > in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version:> > 7.5.441 > / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44> > PM> > > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG> > Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release> > Date:> 2/20/2007 > 1:44 PM> > > >> > _______________________________________________> To > unsubscribe, edit> > your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit:>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > _________________________________________________________________> > Live > Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview> > --> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> > No virus > found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: > 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> > >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free > Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
