I was going to say the same thing. Their add doesn't mention performance just compatibility. It also says playing games not serving them.
Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes it allows you to run games from another OS...at a loss of performance. On 2/21/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.transgaming.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=displa > y&ceid=2&meid=-1 > > Nough said ;) > > Jason > > Adam Sando wrote: > > I've been in Virtualisation Roadmap workshops with Microsoft and > > VMWare > recently, and have touted figures of approx 10-20% Host OS overhead > for Virtual Server 2005 R2 running 1+ vm's; and 8-10% Host OS overhead > for Vi3. > > > > Both companies have stated that 1 physical will always be more > > powerful > than a host + 1 vm (comparing like-for-like hardware specs). > > > > Some of our engineers recently did a test of 1 physical 4-way > > dual-core > 8216 w/32GB RAM (local SAS disks) running Win2k3-x86, versus the same > hardware (EVA connected) running Win2k3-x64 with Virtual Server 2k5, > and a bunch of vm's running the same config as the other physical. > Well, the vm's performed horribly, even with the other physical > running a 32-bit OS. > > > > Virtualisation/emulation will only solve compatibility issues, not > performance... You're deluded to think you can get extra performance > out of a VM when the host has to do all that work anyway. > > > > Regards, > > Adam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "hlds@list.valvesoftware.com" <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Sent: 21-Feb-07 19:40 > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping > > > > Amen Brother:-) > > > > Jason > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gigabit Nick > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:48 AM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping > > > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Emulated environments are slower. > > > > The reason; Almost any significant work done inside the emulator has > > to be translated into the host OS's API and then run by the host OS > > before it can be completed, thus adding extra steps into the > > execution process. This includes everything from thread creation and > > memory allocation through to Disk and Network IO. If you add into > > that the fact that instead of processing the needs of one OS a > > machine running an emulated system is processing the needs of two > > (the host and the emulated OS), there is no way that emulation will > > increase performance over dedicated machine of the same > > specification.I've done a lot of work with virtualisation and > > emulation and I have yet to see an emulated system run faster on the > > same hardware than it would do if running natively and that includes > > experience of VMWare, Bochs, Wine, Xen, and Parallels. The ONLY > > advantage I've seen to virtualization is a reduction in the need for > > hardware to service a dynamic need such as QA testing where you > > don't want 10 machines each with their own environment when 9 won't > > be used most of the time, having 1 machine with 10 emulated machines > > where you can swap saves real cash. > > > > It doesn't matter if the emulated machine needs to "load all the sub > > protocols and such", the host OS most will have had to already load > > them in order to offer support. > -----Original Message-----> From: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason> Sent: > > Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:01 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> > > Negative. If > > anything, the emulation increases performance due to the> fact that > > it doesn't load all the sub protocols and such. It uses less> memory > > then explorer and runs more smoothly.> > Jason> > Jason O. Washburn > > wrote:> > I would think it was the emulation also.> >> > Jason> >> > > > -----Original > > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:59 AM> > To: > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high > > ping> >> >> > Ummm, the emulation maybe causing issues. Try running > > ping> >> >> > it > > in Windows> > native.> >> > Jason wrote:> >> >> I'm running a 6600 > > gt with an amd althalon 64 in ubuntu 64 emulating> >> windows xp > > x64. 1 gig of ram. Its certainly poweful enough to run tfc> > >> as > > if it was a joke. I'll try messing with the update rate and cmd> >> > > rate> >>> >> [GS]Admin wrote:> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> > > >>> From: "chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> To: > > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 > > 7:45 PM> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> WOW, can you host stuff?> >>>>> >>>> Jason wrote:> >>>>> > > >>>>> My ISP just upgraded...I'm running a cable line to the house > > but> >>>>> fiber elsewhere. I pay for the greater upload speeds > > above 2.5> >>>>> megabits.> >>>>>> >>>>> Jason> >>>>>> >>> He "can" > > host stuff but with a residental connection it wouldn't be> >>> too > > great of pings times for people "outside" the network.But would> >>> > > probably work ok for a website with not alot of traffic.But most> > > >>> isp's like mine in their TOS say that its against the rules to > > host> >>> anything from your home connection.> >>>> >>> Now back to > > the topic.If tracert's and perfmon are showing good> >>> maybe> >>>> > > >> >> >>> it has something todo with your rates.Try turning down > > your> >>> rate,cl_updaterate,cl_cmdrate and your backup rate.Try something> >>>> > > > along> >> >>> the> >>> lines of 9999,60,40 and see if it still does > > it.If it does or> >>> doesn't adjust accordingly.> >>>> >>> Also > > have you tried messing with your audio stuff in cs?Not knowing> >>> > > what hardware you have kinda makes this fishing in an ocean for the> > > >>> lockness monster.BUT if you have built on board audio I do know > > at> >>> times it can do this if your cpu is overloaded.Say > > HLSW,STEAM and a> >>> messenger running on a 1.3 thunderbird with > > built on audio has> >>> caused the same issues in the past> >>> with > > me.If you have an x-fi card or something to that sort try> >>> > > updating the> >>> drivers to the newest latest and greatest. And one > > last thing, if> its> >>> x64 XP> >>> or Vista I know alot of people > > have been having sound "issues"> >>> > > especially> >>> with older games or hardware that's only 50%(beta > > drivers) supported> >>> as of> >>> late.> >>>> >>> I'll search > > around some and see if anyone else may be having these> >>> issues.I > > know last night I was having major issue with gernades> >>> blowing > > up and my computer would lag to all high hell,and found out> >>> my > > hard drive after a FS 2004 mesh install was fragmented to high> >>> > > hell.After the defrag all> >>>> > way> >> >>> well> >>> again and I > > knew that cs 1.6 wouldn't stress out an fx-60, 2 gigs or> > >>> ram > > and an audigy 2 zs.....Anywho hope I may have given you> >>> > > something else to look> >>> into.> >>>> >>> -BeNt-> >>> > > http://www.gorillazsouth.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________> >>> To > >>>> unsubscribe, > >>>> > > edit your list preferences, or view the list> >>> archives, please > > visit:> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________> >> To > >>>>>>> > > unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >> > > archives,> > > > >>>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, > > edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please > > visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free > > Edition.> > > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing > > message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus > > Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > --> No virus > > found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: > > 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 > > PM> > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG > > Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - > > Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> > > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, > > edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > > visit:> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Live Search: Better results, fast > > http://get.live.com/search/overview > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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