-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes it allows you to run games from another OS...at a loss of performance.
On 2/21/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://www.transgaming.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=2&meid=-1 > > Nough said ;) > > Jason > > Adam Sando wrote: > > I've been in Virtualisation Roadmap workshops with Microsoft and VMWare > recently, and have touted figures of approx 10-20% Host OS overhead for > Virtual Server 2005 R2 running 1+ vm's; and 8-10% Host OS overhead for Vi3. > > > > Both companies have stated that 1 physical will always be more powerful > than a host + 1 vm (comparing like-for-like hardware specs). > > > > Some of our engineers recently did a test of 1 physical 4-way dual-core > 8216 w/32GB RAM (local SAS disks) running Win2k3-x86, versus the same > hardware (EVA connected) running Win2k3-x64 with Virtual Server 2k5, and a > bunch of vm's running the same config as the other physical. Well, the vm's > performed horribly, even with the other physical running a 32-bit OS. > > > > Virtualisation/emulation will only solve compatibility issues, not > performance... You're deluded to think you can get extra performance out of > a VM when the host has to do all that work anyway. > > > > Regards, > > Adam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "hlds@list.valvesoftware.com" <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Sent: 21-Feb-07 19:40 > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping > > > > Amen Brother:-) > > > > Jason > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gigabit Nick > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:48 AM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Voice causes high ping > > > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Emulated environments are slower. > > > > The reason; Almost any significant work done inside the emulator has to > > be translated into the host OS's API and then run by the host OS before > > it can be completed, thus adding extra steps into the execution process. > > This includes everything from thread creation and memory allocation > > through to Disk and Network IO. If you add into that the fact that > > instead of processing the needs of one OS a machine running an emulated > > system is processing the needs of two (the host and the emulated OS), > > there is no way that emulation will increase performance over dedicated > > machine of the same specification.I've done a lot of work with > > virtualisation and emulation and I have yet to see an emulated system > > run faster on the same hardware than it would do if running natively and > > that includes experience of VMWare, Bochs, Wine, Xen, and Parallels. The > > ONLY advantage I've seen to virtualization is a reduction in the need > > for hardware to service a dynamic need such as QA testing where you > > don't want 10 machines each with their own environment when 9 won't be > > used most of the time, having 1 machine with 10 emulated machines where > > you can swap saves real cash. > > > > It doesn't matter if the emulated machine needs to "load all the sub > > protocols and such", the host OS most will have had to already load them > > in order to offer support. > -----Original Message-----> From: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason> Sent: > > Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:01 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high ping> > > Negative. If anything, > > the emulation increases performance due to the> fact that it doesn't > > load all the sub protocols and such. It uses less> memory then explorer > > and runs more smoothly.> > Jason> > Jason O. Washburn wrote:> > I would > > think it was the emulation also.> >> > Jason> >> > -----Original > > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bass> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:59 AM> > To: > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes high > > ping> >> >> > Ummm, the emulation maybe causing issues. Try running it > > in Windows> > native.> >> > Jason wrote:> >> >> I'm running a 6600 gt > > with an amd althalon 64 in ubuntu 64 emulating> >> windows xp x64. 1 gig > > of ram. Its certainly poweful enough to run tfc> > >> as if it was a > > joke. I'll try messing with the update rate and cmd> >> rate> >>> >> > > [GS]Admin wrote:> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> >>> From: "chad" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>> >>> Sent: > > Monday, February 19, 2007 7:45 PM> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Voice causes > > high ping> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WOW, can you host stuff?> >>>>> >>>> > > Jason wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> My ISP just upgraded...I'm running a cable > > line to the house but> >>>>> fiber elsewhere. I pay for the greater > > upload speeds above 2.5> >>>>> megabits.> >>>>>> >>>>> Jason> >>>>>> >>> > > He "can" host stuff but with a residental connection it wouldn't be> >>> > > too great of pings times for people "outside" the network.But would> >>> > > probably work ok for a website with not alot of traffic.But most> >>> > > isp's like mine in their TOS say that its against the rules to host> >>> > > anything from your home connection.> >>>> >>> Now back to the topic.If > > tracert's and perfmon are showing good> >>> maybe> >>>> >> >> >>> it has > > something todo with your rates.Try turning down your> >>> > > rate,cl_updaterate,cl_cmdrate and your backup rate.Try something> >>>> > > > along> >> >>> the> >>> lines of 9999,60,40 and see if it still does > > it.If it does or> >>> doesn't adjust accordingly.> >>>> >>> Also have > > you tried messing with your audio stuff in cs?Not knowing> >>> what > > hardware you have kinda makes this fishing in an ocean for the> >>> > > lockness monster.BUT if you have built on board audio I do know at> >>> > > times it can do this if your cpu is overloaded.Say HLSW,STEAM and a> >>> > > messenger running on a 1.3 thunderbird with built on audio has> >>> > > caused the same issues in the past> >>> with me.If you have an x-fi card > > or something to that sort try> >>> updating the> >>> drivers to the > > newest latest and greatest. And one last thing, if> its> >>> x64 XP> >>> > > or Vista I know alot of people have been having sound "issues"> >>> > > especially> >>> with older games or hardware that's only 50%(beta > > drivers) supported> >>> as of> >>> late.> >>>> >>> I'll search around > > some and see if anyone else may be having these> >>> issues.I know last > > night I was having major issue with gernades> >>> blowing up and my > > computer would lag to all high hell,and found out> >>> my hard drive > > after a FS 2004 mesh install was fragmented to high> >>> hell.After the > > defrag all> >>>> > way> >> >>> well> >>> again and I knew that cs 1.6 > > wouldn't stress out an fx-60, 2 gigs or> > >>> ram and an audigy 2 > > zs.....Anywho hope I may have given you> >>> something else to look> >>> > > into.> >>>> >>> -BeNt-> >>> http://www.gorillazsouth.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________> >>> To unsubscribe, > >>>> > > edit your list preferences, or view the list> >>> archives, please > > visit:> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________> >> To > >>>>>>> > > unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >> archives,> > > > >>>>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> > No virus > > found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this outgoing > > message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus > > Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > --> No virus > > found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: > > 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 > > PM> > > --> No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG > > Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release > > Date:> 2/20/2007 1:44 PM> > > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit > > your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Live Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: > > 2/20/2007 1:44 PM > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
