Plugin makers work hard to make plugins that help server operators as well as bring some new fun into the game for players without having to redistribute a mod. Valve is falling over itself to keep us from doing this. It's the community support and creativity that keep a game alive, and they have never gotten this.
I'll tell you this, when HL2DM dies for me, steam will disappear from my computer for good. I will never buy another thing from them again. Unless they change their outlook towards the existing community and put some effort into supporting us. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:23 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated server beta (cl_restrict_server_commands) Amen. What is going on here? It seems that Valve thinks that all the people that operate servers are clueless children that can not be trusted with anything. If players do not like the way they are treated on a server, they can leave. My server relies on plugins that are able to execute client commands, if that is taken away I am done running a server for Valve. Alfred, we are still waiting for an explanation of the reason behind this. What are you trying to stop exactly that is so critical that you are willing to ruin so many things that people have worked long and hard on? -YMAC > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > How does this improve anything at all? The only thing that's changed is > removing a > perfectly functional feature. How can you honestly consider this a good > thing in any way? I could see why they created the need for > cl_restrict_server_commands, and hell, I even agreed with them that > the cvar was a good thing when they introduced it. > This however does not in any way improve security, while it does > significantly cripple functionality. > > On 4/27/07, Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Explain how? You can't even use echo... >> >> James Gray wrote: >> > This quite honestly does not affect many plugins at all...this move is >> > much better in the long run for Source. >> > >> > >> > On 4/26/07, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -- >> >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> >> This is why I never included such a feature into zblock :/ >> >> FCVAR_SERVER_CAN_EXECUTE prevented server running command: alias >> >> >> >> No server plugins cant still execute commands on clients... Atleast, >> not >> >> properly. >> >> To execute a command on a client, that command requires the >> >> "FCVAR_SERVER_CAN_EXECUTE" flag, it's very rare for cvars to have >> >> this, one >> >> of the few examples that does have this is the "play" console command >> >> (which >> >> plays an audio file). >> >> >> >> On 4/27/07, Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> >> > People kept finding ways to get people to disable it without them >> >> actually >> >> > wanting to change it themselves, through the MOTD I believe was the >> >> most >> >> > recent one. They probably just got tired of people exploiting it, >> >> so they >> >> > decided to hardcode it. Maybe Alfred can shed some light as to the >> >> reason, >> >> > but a lot of things will be different now. Zblock will probably >> >> have to >> >> > just >> >> > tell the client what to change. >> >> > >> >> > Heh. >> >> > >> >> > On 4/26/07, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> >> > > Yup, it means that for some rediculous reason, it's become >> entirely >> >> > > impossible >> >> > > to execute commands on clients. Why this is not permitted with >> the >> >> > active >> >> > > consent of the end user (as it was previously) is beyond me. >> >> > > >> >> > > VALVe is completely screwing over a truckload of server plugins >> >> because, >> >> > > well >> >> > > probably because it seemed like more fun then fixing things that >> are >> >> > > actually >> >> > > broken... I really don't see how you can remove a perfectly >> >> functional >> >> > and >> >> > > save >> >> > > feature out of the blue. >> >> > > >> >> > > On 4/26/07, Affordablegameservers.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > So does that mean it no longer is able to be set to 0 (ie we >> >> have no >> >> > > > choice >> >> > > > now its always on) or that its been removed period so now >> >> servers are >> >> > > able >> >> > > > to run commands on clients (ie plugins will work now without >> >> the cvar >> >> > > set >> >> > > > to >> >> > > > 0) >> >> > > > thanks >> >> > > > dex >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alfred >> >> Reynolds >> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:28 PM >> >> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated >> >> server >> >> > beta >> >> > > > (cl_restrict_server_commands) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The restrict cvar has been removed, zBlock needs to be updated. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > - Alfred >> >> > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaydaX >> >> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:12 PM >> >> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> >> > > > Subject: [hlds] RE: [hlds_linux] Source Engine Dedicated server >> >> beta >> >> > > > (cl_restrict_server_commands) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The cl_restrict_server_commands cvar is not found in the beta >> >> version >> >> > I >> >> > > > get kicked from zBlock enabled servers for not having it set to >> 0. >> >> > Also >> >> > > > server plug ins can exec client commands. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
