I'm just sick of people bitching about something that Valve has shown no indication of changing, in a place where it's rather patently inappropriate for the discussion to be taking place.
-James On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: > "Empirical" evidence was already offered which you thought were "my" > players, as if I had tens of thousands of players. Those numbers are pulled > straight from Steam. > > What's the point of trolling this discussion? Don't you have anything > better to do? > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:14 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why hello there, anecdotal evidence. If you could go ahead and get us an >> actual cross-section of the playerbase, that'd be greeeeeat. >> >> -James >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> It might not cause more players to magically appear, but more of them >>> will end up in better servers than the official ones. Community servers >>> offer additional value that keep people playing TF2 longer. >>> >>> I know quite a few people who have stopped playing after their favorite >>> server emptied out because of this change. They would rather not play TF2 >>> than play on an official server which are laggy and full of hackers and >>> griefers. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Z <spacebur...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Fixing quickplay, however you want to see it "fixed", won't cause more >>>> players to magically appear. >>>> TF2 is running on borrowed time, and the playerbase will only be >>>> getting smaller with time. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 April 2014 23:42, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Those aren't "my" player counts, those are the global player counts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hint: they DGAF about your player count. >>>>>> >>>>>> -James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> When will Valve realize was a bad decision? Player counts haven't >>>>>>> been this low since last year, and there is no new FPS game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those people claiming player counts get lower until summer >>>>>>> vacation, they didn't drop as much as last year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After the change, the weekly high dropped by 5000. Compare to last >>>>>>> year in the same time frame there is barely a 1000 player difference. >>>>>>> How >>>>>>> much more obvious does it need to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014 >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/xoUEHbr.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013 >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Rp9y2kD.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> data from steamcharts.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:18 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the issue here, is...there really is no longer any reason >>>>>>>> for valve servers to be the "default" servers once a player has 8-12 >>>>>>>> hours >>>>>>>> in the game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The minority of players who only want those random pub games on >>>>>>>> valve servers now have that option - but the players who stick around >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the long-term will be the ones that find a "home" server/group of >>>>>>>> servers, >>>>>>>> not those looking for the "x-box live" experience of random games with >>>>>>>> random people every time. Honestly, if the TF2 team could see the >>>>>>>> chaos and >>>>>>>> lack of teamwork that valve servers actually seem to encourage, I think >>>>>>>> they would take a step back and realize that it really doesn't do the >>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>> any justice. There is a reason some of the newer players have taken to >>>>>>>> calling community servers "pubstomp" servers - it's because community >>>>>>>> servers are where they fist come up against actual, cohesive teamwork >>>>>>>> - and >>>>>>>> they're used to a bunch of random players just doing they're own thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frankly - I firmly believe the long-term health of the game rests >>>>>>>> with community servers who provide diversity, supervision (to get rid >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the plethora of hackers/griefers, etc.), and a much better experience >>>>>>>> overall (not to mention higher skill levels). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short - I agree with Mr. Paulson - give the new players a a few >>>>>>>> hours of "mandatory" play on valve's servers to get their feet wet in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> game, and then open quickplay up to "all servers" by default and allow >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> to see all the diversity that's out there. You've given the players the >>>>>>>> "option" of going back to "valve-only" if they should want it, now lets >>>>>>>> rollback the "mass punishment" (that was really killing a mosquito >>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer), and give the server operators a fair shake again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Chris Oryschak < >>>>>>>> ch...@oryschak.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It would be really nice to get some input on this from Valve. >>>>>>>>> Since the change every day gets worse and worse for player activity >>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>> servers thanks to the QP changes and lack of new players having the >>>>>>>>> ability >>>>>>>>> to find my servers. >>>>>>>>> You can view the beautiful downward trend caused by these changes: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/uvlq056.png >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If anyone else is running the Player Analytics plugin just edit >>>>>>>>> "data/sessions.php" and change "30 DAY" to "90 DAY". >>>>>>>>> I'd love to see the same trends from other communities to help >>>>>>>>> reinforce this bad change for all server ops. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said before, the problem is not that the official servers >>>>>>>>>> only option exists, the problem is that it is on by default. People >>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>> lazy to use the browser are too lazy to use options. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again I would like to suggest automatically un-checking the >>>>>>>>>> official servers only after 4-5 hours of play. Anything that requires >>>>>>>>>> manual intervention will not solve the problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For anyone arguing community servers are inferior again, I refer >>>>>>>>>> you to this post. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg74795.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What about something similar like before where valve servers had >>>>>>>>>>> an advantage over community servers with new players being sent to >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> (due to the valve server score boost)? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Except this time just make it so all new players get sent to >>>>>>>>>>> valve servers by default. And then after a certain amount of hours >>>>>>>>>>> played >>>>>>>>>>> it either defaults to all servers or pops up a message asking if >>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>> servers should be included and explaining a little bit about the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> quickplay options and how to access them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I talked to plenty of players who weren't aware that quickplay >>>>>>>>>>> search can be customized or that you need to click on the gear icon >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> bring up advanced search options. There's plenty of people who hate >>>>>>>>>>> crits >>>>>>>>>>> or default respawn times and yet they're not even aware of this >>>>>>>>>>> functionality being part of quickplay. Or perhaps that's on purpose >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> maybe that's the reason why the icon is so tiny... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jason Tango < >>>>>>>>>>> jtrun...@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As we approach the 2-month mark since Valve's servers were made >>>>>>>>>>>> the "default" servers for all quickplay players, can the TF2 team >>>>>>>>>>>> give us a >>>>>>>>>>>> time frame when they will return the system to a "level playing >>>>>>>>>>>> field" for >>>>>>>>>>>> all servers? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As it stands, the players who want to avoid all community >>>>>>>>>>>> servers now have the ability to do so simply by clicking the >>>>>>>>>>>> "Official >>>>>>>>>>>> Server Only" button, so is it really necessary to keep driving >>>>>>>>>>>> nearly all >>>>>>>>>>>> quickplay traffic away from community servers? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, a better question would probably be - is it in TF2's >>>>>>>>>>>> best (long-term) interest to do so? Helping players find a "home" >>>>>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>>>>> where they become a "regular" creates long-term players, and since >>>>>>>>>>>> so much >>>>>>>>>>>> emphasis (in the design of the UI) has been placed on guiding >>>>>>>>>>>> players to >>>>>>>>>>>> use quickplay, the longer that community servers are effectively >>>>>>>>>>>> excluded >>>>>>>>>>>> from that traffic, the more long-term players the game will likely >>>>>>>>>>>> lose. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The players that only want random games with random people on >>>>>>>>>>>> Valve servers now have the option to make sure that's all they >>>>>>>>>>>> get, but >>>>>>>>>>>> preventing the rest of the player base from experiencing all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diversity >>>>>>>>>>>> that the TF2 community can provide is both unnecessary and unfair >>>>>>>>>>>> to those >>>>>>>>>>>> of us who have never broken any rules, or violated any policies. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, please consider leveling the playing field >>>>>>>>>>>> again asap by including all community servers by default, and let >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> players decide for themselves if they don't want to be a part of >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, guys. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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