I don't see how there could be a better place to discuss this. This quickplay problem affects srcds servers and this is a mailing list for servers that is visited by the people responsible for this change.
If Valve does not realize this is a problem, that is even more of a reason to keep talking about it. I don't think Valve doesn't care, they just don't know it is a problem. Otherwise they wouldn't have wasted their time making quickpick. They need to realize it is causing a net loss of players and quickplay options and quickpick didn't solve the issue. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm just sick of people bitching about something that Valve has shown no > indication of changing, in a place where it's rather patently inappropriate > for the discussion to be taking place. > > -James > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> "Empirical" evidence was already offered which you thought were "my" >> players, as if I had tens of thousands of players. Those numbers are pulled >> straight from Steam. >> >> What's the point of trolling this discussion? Don't you have anything >> better to do? >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:14 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Why hello there, anecdotal evidence. If you could go ahead and get us an >>> actual cross-section of the playerbase, that'd be greeeeeat. >>> >>> -James >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Robert Paulson >>> <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> It might not cause more players to magically appear, but more of them >>>> will end up in better servers than the official ones. Community servers >>>> offer additional value that keep people playing TF2 longer. >>>> >>>> I know quite a few people who have stopped playing after their favorite >>>> server emptied out because of this change. They would rather not play TF2 >>>> than play on an official server which are laggy and full of hackers and >>>> griefers. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Z <spacebur...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Fixing quickplay, however you want to see it "fixed", won't cause more >>>>> players to magically appear. >>>>> TF2 is running on borrowed time, and the playerbase will only be >>>>> getting smaller with time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2014 23:42, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Those aren't "my" player counts, those are the global player counts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hint: they DGAF about your player count. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When will Valve realize was a bad decision? Player counts haven't >>>>>>>> been this low since last year, and there is no new FPS game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For those people claiming player counts get lower until summer >>>>>>>> vacation, they didn't drop as much as last year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After the change, the weekly high dropped by 5000. Compare to last >>>>>>>> year in the same time frame there is barely a 1000 player difference. >>>>>>>> How >>>>>>>> much more obvious does it need to get? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014 >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/xoUEHbr.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013 >>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Rp9y2kD.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> data from steamcharts.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:18 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the issue here, is...there really is no longer any reason >>>>>>>>> for valve servers to be the "default" servers once a player has 8-12 >>>>>>>>> hours >>>>>>>>> in the game. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The minority of players who only want those random pub games on >>>>>>>>> valve servers now have that option - but the players who stick around >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the long-term will be the ones that find a "home" server/group of >>>>>>>>> servers, >>>>>>>>> not those looking for the "x-box live" experience of random games with >>>>>>>>> random people every time. Honestly, if the TF2 team could see the >>>>>>>>> chaos and >>>>>>>>> lack of teamwork that valve servers actually seem to encourage, I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> they would take a step back and realize that it really doesn't do the >>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>> any justice. There is a reason some of the newer players have taken to >>>>>>>>> calling community servers "pubstomp" servers - it's because community >>>>>>>>> servers are where they fist come up against actual, cohesive teamwork >>>>>>>>> - and >>>>>>>>> they're used to a bunch of random players just doing they're own >>>>>>>>> thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Frankly - I firmly believe the long-term health of the game rests >>>>>>>>> with community servers who provide diversity, supervision (to get rid >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the plethora of hackers/griefers, etc.), and a much better experience >>>>>>>>> overall (not to mention higher skill levels). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In short - I agree with Mr. Paulson - give the new players a a few >>>>>>>>> hours of "mandatory" play on valve's servers to get their feet wet in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> game, and then open quickplay up to "all servers" by default and >>>>>>>>> allow them >>>>>>>>> to see all the diversity that's out there. You've given the players >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> "option" of going back to "valve-only" if they should want it, now >>>>>>>>> lets >>>>>>>>> rollback the "mass punishment" (that was really killing a mosquito >>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>> sledgehammer), and give the server operators a fair shake again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Chris Oryschak < >>>>>>>>> ch...@oryschak.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It would be really nice to get some input on this from Valve. >>>>>>>>>> Since the change every day gets worse and worse for player activity >>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>> servers thanks to the QP changes and lack of new players having the >>>>>>>>>> ability >>>>>>>>>> to find my servers. >>>>>>>>>> You can view the beautiful downward trend caused by these changes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/uvlq056.png >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone else is running the Player Analytics plugin just edit >>>>>>>>>> "data/sessions.php" and change "30 DAY" to "90 DAY". >>>>>>>>>> I'd love to see the same trends from other communities to help >>>>>>>>>> reinforce this bad change for all server ops. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, the problem is not that the official servers >>>>>>>>>>> only option exists, the problem is that it is on by default. People >>>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>> lazy to use the browser are too lazy to use options. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Again I would like to suggest automatically un-checking the >>>>>>>>>>> official servers only after 4-5 hours of play. Anything that >>>>>>>>>>> requires >>>>>>>>>>> manual intervention will not solve the problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For anyone arguing community servers are inferior again, I refer >>>>>>>>>>> you to this post. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg74795.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What about something similar like before where valve servers >>>>>>>>>>>> had an advantage over community servers with new players being >>>>>>>>>>>> sent to them >>>>>>>>>>>> (due to the valve server score boost)? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Except this time just make it so all new players get sent to >>>>>>>>>>>> valve servers by default. And then after a certain amount of hours >>>>>>>>>>>> played >>>>>>>>>>>> it either defaults to all servers or pops up a message asking if >>>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>> servers should be included and explaining a little bit about the >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> quickplay options and how to access them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I talked to plenty of players who weren't aware that quickplay >>>>>>>>>>>> search can be customized or that you need to click on the gear >>>>>>>>>>>> icon to >>>>>>>>>>>> bring up advanced search options. There's plenty of people who >>>>>>>>>>>> hate crits >>>>>>>>>>>> or default respawn times and yet they're not even aware of this >>>>>>>>>>>> functionality being part of quickplay. Or perhaps that's on >>>>>>>>>>>> purpose and >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe that's the reason why the icon is so tiny... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jason Tango < >>>>>>>>>>>> jtrun...@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As we approach the 2-month mark since Valve's servers were >>>>>>>>>>>>> made the "default" servers for all quickplay players, can the TF2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> team give >>>>>>>>>>>>> us a time frame when they will return the system to a "level >>>>>>>>>>>>> playing field" >>>>>>>>>>>>> for all servers? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As it stands, the players who want to avoid all community >>>>>>>>>>>>> servers now have the ability to do so simply by clicking the >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Official >>>>>>>>>>>>> Server Only" button, so is it really necessary to keep driving >>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly all >>>>>>>>>>>>> quickplay traffic away from community servers? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, a better question would probably be - is it in TF2's >>>>>>>>>>>>> best (long-term) interest to do so? Helping players find a "home" >>>>>>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>>>>>> where they become a "regular" creates long-term players, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> since so much >>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasis (in the design of the UI) has been placed on guiding >>>>>>>>>>>>> players to >>>>>>>>>>>>> use quickplay, the longer that community servers are effectively >>>>>>>>>>>>> excluded >>>>>>>>>>>>> from that traffic, the more long-term players the game will >>>>>>>>>>>>> likely lose. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The players that only want random games with random people on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve servers now have the option to make sure that's all they >>>>>>>>>>>>> get, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> preventing the rest of the player base from experiencing all the >>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity >>>>>>>>>>>>> that the TF2 community can provide is both unnecessary and unfair >>>>>>>>>>>>> to those >>>>>>>>>>>>> of us who have never broken any rules, or violated any policies. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, please consider leveling the playing field >>>>>>>>>>>>> again asap by including all community servers by default, and let >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> players decide for themselves if they don't want to be a part of >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, guys. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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