Why hello there, anecdotal evidence. If you could go ahead and get us an actual cross-section of the playerbase, that'd be greeeeeat.
-James On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: > It might not cause more players to magically appear, but more of them will > end up in better servers than the official ones. Community servers offer > additional value that keep people playing TF2 longer. > > I know quite a few people who have stopped playing after their favorite > server emptied out because of this change. They would rather not play TF2 > than play on an official server which are laggy and full of hackers and > griefers. > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Z <spacebur...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Fixing quickplay, however you want to see it "fixed", won't cause more >> players to magically appear. >> TF2 is running on borrowed time, and the playerbase will only be getting >> smaller with time. >> >> >> On 25 April 2014 23:42, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Those aren't "my" player counts, those are the global player counts. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM, James Haikin <jfrra...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hint: they DGAF about your player count. >>>> >>>> -James >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Robert Paulson >>>> <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> When will Valve realize was a bad decision? Player counts haven't been >>>>> this low since last year, and there is no new FPS game. >>>>> >>>>> For those people claiming player counts get lower until summer >>>>> vacation, they didn't drop as much as last year. >>>>> >>>>> After the change, the weekly high dropped by 5000. Compare to last >>>>> year in the same time frame there is barely a 1000 player difference. How >>>>> much more obvious does it need to get? >>>>> >>>>> 2014 >>>>> http://i.imgur.com/xoUEHbr.png >>>>> >>>>> 2013 >>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Rp9y2kD.png >>>>> >>>>> data from steamcharts.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:18 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think the issue here, is...there really is no longer any reason for >>>>>> valve servers to be the "default" servers once a player has 8-12 hours in >>>>>> the game. >>>>>> >>>>>> The minority of players who only want those random pub games on valve >>>>>> servers now have that option - but the players who stick around in the >>>>>> long-term will be the ones that find a "home" server/group of servers, >>>>>> not >>>>>> those looking for the "x-box live" experience of random games with random >>>>>> people every time. Honestly, if the TF2 team could see the chaos and lack >>>>>> of teamwork that valve servers actually seem to encourage, I think they >>>>>> would take a step back and realize that it really doesn't do the game any >>>>>> justice. There is a reason some of the newer players have taken to >>>>>> calling >>>>>> community servers "pubstomp" servers - it's because community servers are >>>>>> where they fist come up against actual, cohesive teamwork - and they're >>>>>> used to a bunch of random players just doing they're own thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Frankly - I firmly believe the long-term health of the game rests >>>>>> with community servers who provide diversity, supervision (to get rid of >>>>>> the plethora of hackers/griefers, etc.), and a much better experience >>>>>> overall (not to mention higher skill levels). >>>>>> >>>>>> In short - I agree with Mr. Paulson - give the new players a a few >>>>>> hours of "mandatory" play on valve's servers to get their feet wet in the >>>>>> game, and then open quickplay up to "all servers" by default and allow >>>>>> them >>>>>> to see all the diversity that's out there. You've given the players the >>>>>> "option" of going back to "valve-only" if they should want it, now lets >>>>>> rollback the "mass punishment" (that was really killing a mosquito with a >>>>>> sledgehammer), and give the server operators a fair shake again. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Chris Oryschak >>>>>> <ch...@oryschak.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be really nice to get some input on this from Valve. Since >>>>>>> the change every day gets worse and worse for player activity on my >>>>>>> servers >>>>>>> thanks to the QP changes and lack of new players having the ability to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> my servers. >>>>>>> You can view the beautiful downward trend caused by these changes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/uvlq056.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone else is running the Player Analytics plugin just edit >>>>>>> "data/sessions.php" and change "30 DAY" to "90 DAY". >>>>>>> I'd love to see the same trends from other communities to help >>>>>>> reinforce this bad change for all server ops. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said before, the problem is not that the official servers only >>>>>>>> option exists, the problem is that it is on by default. People too >>>>>>>> lazy to >>>>>>>> use the browser are too lazy to use options. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again I would like to suggest automatically un-checking the >>>>>>>> official servers only after 4-5 hours of play. Anything that requires >>>>>>>> manual intervention will not solve the problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For anyone arguing community servers are inferior again, I refer >>>>>>>> you to this post. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg74795.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What about something similar like before where valve servers had >>>>>>>>> an advantage over community servers with new players being sent to >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> (due to the valve server score boost)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Except this time just make it so all new players get sent to valve >>>>>>>>> servers by default. And then after a certain amount of hours played it >>>>>>>>> either defaults to all servers or pops up a message asking if >>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>> servers should be included and explaining a little bit about the other >>>>>>>>> quickplay options and how to access them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I talked to plenty of players who weren't aware that quickplay >>>>>>>>> search can be customized or that you need to click on the gear icon to >>>>>>>>> bring up advanced search options. There's plenty of people who hate >>>>>>>>> crits >>>>>>>>> or default respawn times and yet they're not even aware of this >>>>>>>>> functionality being part of quickplay. Or perhaps that's on purpose >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> maybe that's the reason why the icon is so tiny... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jason Tango <jtrun...@outlook.com >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As we approach the 2-month mark since Valve's servers were made >>>>>>>>>> the "default" servers for all quickplay players, can the TF2 team >>>>>>>>>> give us a >>>>>>>>>> time frame when they will return the system to a "level playing >>>>>>>>>> field" for >>>>>>>>>> all servers? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As it stands, the players who want to avoid all community servers >>>>>>>>>> now have the ability to do so simply by clicking the "Official >>>>>>>>>> Server Only" >>>>>>>>>> button, so is it really necessary to keep driving nearly all >>>>>>>>>> quickplay >>>>>>>>>> traffic away from community servers? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In fact, a better question would probably be - is it in TF2's >>>>>>>>>> best (long-term) interest to do so? Helping players find a "home" >>>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>>> where they become a "regular" creates long-term players, and since >>>>>>>>>> so much >>>>>>>>>> emphasis (in the design of the UI) has been placed on guiding >>>>>>>>>> players to >>>>>>>>>> use quickplay, the longer that community servers are effectively >>>>>>>>>> excluded >>>>>>>>>> from that traffic, the more long-term players the game will likely >>>>>>>>>> lose. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The players that only want random games with random people on >>>>>>>>>> Valve servers now have the option to make sure that's all they get, >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> preventing the rest of the player base from experiencing all the >>>>>>>>>> diversity >>>>>>>>>> that the TF2 community can provide is both unnecessary and unfair to >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>> of us who have never broken any rules, or violated any policies. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, please consider leveling the playing field >>>>>>>>>> again asap by including all community servers by default, and let the >>>>>>>>>> players decide for themselves if they don't want to be a part of that >>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, guys. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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