It doesn't have a thing to do with players being "stupid" or "lazy", and anyone who thinks that is simply misinformed.
There have, however, been countless studies on the "Default Effect <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_effect_(psychology)>" and how it influences behavior. For example, I have absolutely no doubt that if the settings were reversed, and all servers were included in quickplay by default, the vast majority of players wouldn't bother to change it back. Most players don't touch default settings, plain and simple. In the end it will all come down to what Valve is trying to "stamp out" with this change. Perhaps if they would have a little professional courtesy and communicate exactly what it is/was they are trying to get rid of, there would be those of us willing to do what we could to help. The fact is, they've never communicated to us what it is that they considered "bad" so we're all guessing. I have my thoughts on the subject, most of which are probably pretty unpopular with those that rely on ad revenue to support their servers, but again, it's just guess work until Valve starts talking (if, in fact, they ever choose to communicate with us again, which at this point, I'm not very hopeful). However, long-term PC gamers know that modifications and custom game modes/content are what keep PC games alive in the long term - something that has been proven time and time again with Valve's very own games. TF2 would be better served if (after 8-12 hours of experiencing "Vanilla" TF2) players were exposed to ALL the diversity that community servers have to offer by default, and allowed to opt out of that diversity instead of opting in. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: > >- People that absolutely hate community servers can leave it checked. > > One of the main complaints I always see here is that players are too > stupid to check a box saying that they want community servers. > > Why all of a sudden are they smart enough now to recheck something that > was checked before? > > and just to point out, they wouldn't "leave it checked", they would have > to go check something that the program unchecked for them. > > > >- And community servers wouldn't die due to inertia. > > I bet you they will still complain though that no one is staying on their > servers after the 10 games. > > How about the other way? How about leaving it checked and tell the player, > "Hey, if you want to check out TF2 with mods and changes to the gameplay", > please uncheck this box."? > > I'm serious here. You (Not YOU specifically, but YOU in general meaning > the custom server operators) can't have it both ways. Either players are > smart enough to seek you out by selecting an item in a menu or they aren't. > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> If Valve still had a problem with ads they would have done what you said, >> remove flash and javascript. It is much easier to remove things than to add >> a new UI and quickpick. >> >> Replacing Servers with "Play Community Servers" is not a suitable >> solution. It is half the size of a normal button and tucked under 2 full >> sized ones. You'll get the same problem we have now. >> >> A better solution would be to turn off the official servers option after >> 10 games or so. >> >> - That way, new players are guaranteed to see what a "vanilla" experience >> looks like. >> - People that absolutely hate community servers can leave it checked. >> - And community servers wouldn't die due to inertia. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Weasels Lair <wea...@weaselslair.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Excuse me? I will eh ... "make" maybe US$20 this month in "revenue" >>> from the non-video/banner ads I am running. I've been doing dedicated >>> servers of one form or another since the HL1+WON days (pre-Y2k/pre-Steam). >>> Definitely not in it for "the money". The only reason I even started >>> looking at putting-in advertising is due to current employment situation >>> (or lack there-of). >>> >>> Are there some people out there trying to make a "living" off hosting >>> servers - maybe. But to infer ALL or even MOST? That is just utter >>> stupidity. >>> >>> The way to kill off the real player-annoying stuff is to kill video >>> dead, while leaving HTML/images/banners/non-audio-animation in place. In >>> other words, allow JPG's, and PNG's and GIF's, etc. but block all flash and >>> java - whether it is quick-play or not. >>> >>> But, back to the ORIGINAL point of the thread (I think? was there one?), >>> having the community servers off by default in quick-play is probably not >>> helping the longevity of the game. Players tend to get board with vanilla >>> quickly, but if there is some setting they have to go dig to find - they >>> are more likely to jump to some other game - rather than look it up. >>> >>> IMH(f)O, "Play multiplayer" should be replaced with "Play Official >>> Servers", and "Servers" should be replaced with "Play Community Servers". >>> >>> "So say we all"? or should it be "Hallowed are the Ori"? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Supreet Sahni <coachcrock...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think what nobody is touching on is the fact that they are losing a >>>> lot of ad revenue because of this. >>>> >>>> Lol, maybe they want to hear us complain about how we aren't making any >>>> profits off of our servers now. >>>> >>>> Valve is not stupid. They know big servers can cover more than server >>>> costs and make a lot of profit with Pinion or MOTDgd. >>>> >>>> Money is the only catalyst for this never ending discussions. All yall >>>> couldn't give a damn about the community or the game. >>>> >>>> But hey Valve, if you can make hundreds of thousand off of store items, >>>> why now allow us to make a couple hundred or so? >>>> >>>> Please and Thanks >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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