> if we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then let's have a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design vastly favor hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers.
A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and cheated to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will not do so? On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be happy to admit that if all servers had been treated equally for he > last couple of years, but that's not the case, is it? > > Everything from Valve's servers being the "default" setting (google the > "default effect" if you don't know why that gives them a huge advantage) to > the very design of the user-interface, which uses a button labeled "play > multiplayer", which has served to marginalize the server browser at best. > > ...but that theory would be easy to test, wouldn't it? Return all servers > (both community and Valve's servers) to the quickplay pool by default, and > allow players to OPT OUT of being connected to a community server, instead > of the current system which forces them to go a few menus deep to opt-in. > > After all, if the majority of players truly want to play on Valve's > servers only, then the proof will be in the pudding, and it won't make a > difference, right? > > > It's all well and good to say "this is what the players want", but unless > all the options are given equal treatment across the board, then no one can > truly say one way or the other. You have your bias against community > servers, and I tend to think random games with random people is the > absolute worst presentation of what TF2 is supposed to be....but if we're > going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then let's have a fair > test, not one where the default settings and UI design vastly favor hiding > all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> > wrote: > >> >I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >> says a lot about the state of things >> >> Again.. Could it be possible that the majority of the players WANT to >> play on vanilla servers? That community servers, while fills a niche, isn't >> what the majority want? >> >> Please, be honest with yourself and at least admit to the possibility. >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rowedahelicon < >> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>> says a lot about the state of things >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in just >>>> a few days. >>>> >>>> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it was >>>> a good idea was in the minority? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>> just >>>>> a few days. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>> >>>>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being >>>>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL >>>>>> servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server >>>>>>> owners over official ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro < >>>>>>> smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative >>>>>>>> cunts no matter what choice is made? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed >>>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all >>>>>>>>> wishful >>>>>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric >>>>>>>>> Smith >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM >>>>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>>> hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are >>>>>>>>> below. The >>>>>>>>> new version is 3065162. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players >>>>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or >>>>>>>>> less of RAM >>>>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players on >>>>>>>>> Intel >>>>>>>>> Integrated GPUs >>>>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack >>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits >>>>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the backpack >>>>>>>>> (design is >>>>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front) >>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center >>>>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle >>>>>>>>> Collection >>>>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market >>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons >>>>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective not >>>>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe >>>>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham >>>>>>>>> Knight >>>>>>>>> Contest >>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and >>>>>>>>> Thunder >>>>>>>>> Mountain >>>>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of the >>>>>>>>> Jack >>>>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player >>>>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, and >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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