It might be wise to get a better place to discuss this topic where this sort of stuff won't keep happening
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:45 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and > cheated to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will > not do so? > > Not even remotely true. Were the nefarious server operators out there? Of > course there were. Did the majority of communities "cheat"? Of course not - > most wouldn't think of risking having their servers banned. > > At any rate, I'm puzzled why there are folks on a server operators mailing > list who not only have an agenda against community servers, but obviously > don't even run a server. So with that, feel free to have the last word, I'm > out of troll food. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> > wrote: > >> > if we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then >> let's have a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design >> vastly favor hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. >> >> A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and >> cheated to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will >> not do so? >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd be happy to admit that if all servers had been treated equally for >>> he last couple of years, but that's not the case, is it? >>> >>> Everything from Valve's servers being the "default" setting (google the >>> "default effect" if you don't know why that gives them a huge advantage) to >>> the very design of the user-interface, which uses a button labeled "play >>> multiplayer", which has served to marginalize the server browser at best. >>> >>> ...but that theory would be easy to test, wouldn't it? Return all >>> servers (both community and Valve's servers) to the quickplay pool by >>> default, and allow players to OPT OUT of being connected to a community >>> server, instead of the current system which forces them to go a few menus >>> deep to opt-in. >>> >>> After all, if the majority of players truly want to play on Valve's >>> servers only, then the proof will be in the pudding, and it won't make a >>> difference, right? >>> >>> >>> It's all well and good to say "this is what the players want", but >>> unless all the options are given equal treatment across the board, then no >>> one can truly say one way or the other. You have your bias against >>> community servers, and I tend to think random games with random people is >>> the absolute worst presentation of what TF2 is supposed to be....but if >>> we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then let's have >>> a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design vastly favor >>> hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>>> says a lot about the state of things >>>> >>>> Again.. Could it be possible that the majority of the players WANT to >>>> play on vanilla servers? That community servers, while fills a niche, isn't >>>> what the majority want? >>>> >>>> Please, be honest with yourself and at least admit to the possibility. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>>>> says a lot about the state of things >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>>> just >>>>>> a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it >>>>>> was a good idea was in the minority? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> a few days. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being >>>>>>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL >>>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server >>>>>>>>> owners over official ones. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro < >>>>>>>>> smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative >>>>>>>>>> cunts no matter what choice is made? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed >>>>>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all >>>>>>>>>>> wishful >>>>>>>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric >>>>>>>>>>> Smith >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>>> hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>>> hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are >>>>>>>>>>> below. The >>>>>>>>>>> new version is 3065162. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or >>>>>>>>>>> less of RAM >>>>>>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players >>>>>>>>>>> on Intel >>>>>>>>>>> Integrated GPUs >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the >>>>>>>>>>> backpack (design is >>>>>>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front) >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle >>>>>>>>>>> Collection >>>>>>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe >>>>>>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham >>>>>>>>>>> Knight >>>>>>>>>>> Contest >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and >>>>>>>>>>> Thunder >>>>>>>>>>> Mountain >>>>>>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of >>>>>>>>>>> the Jack >>>>>>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player >>>>>>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, >>>>>>>>>>> and The >>>>>>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>>>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>>>>> Website - 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