How is the actions of a few people ruining it for everyone considered a fair attempt from the community side? You know that some community owners work at Valve, right?
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: > > if we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then > let's have a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design > vastly favor hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. > > A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and cheated > to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will not do > so? > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'd be happy to admit that if all servers had been treated equally for he >> last couple of years, but that's not the case, is it? >> >> Everything from Valve's servers being the "default" setting (google the >> "default effect" if you don't know why that gives them a huge advantage) to >> the very design of the user-interface, which uses a button labeled "play >> multiplayer", which has served to marginalize the server browser at best. >> >> ...but that theory would be easy to test, wouldn't it? Return all servers >> (both community and Valve's servers) to the quickplay pool by default, and >> allow players to OPT OUT of being connected to a community server, instead >> of the current system which forces them to go a few menus deep to opt-in. >> >> After all, if the majority of players truly want to play on Valve's >> servers only, then the proof will be in the pudding, and it won't make a >> difference, right? >> >> >> It's all well and good to say "this is what the players want", but unless >> all the options are given equal treatment across the board, then no one can >> truly say one way or the other. You have your bias against community >> servers, and I tend to think random games with random people is the >> absolute worst presentation of what TF2 is supposed to be....but if we're >> going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then let's have a fair >> test, not one where the default settings and UI design vastly favor hiding >> all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>> says a lot about the state of things >>> >>> Again.. Could it be possible that the majority of the players WANT to >>> play on vanilla servers? That community servers, while fills a niche, isn't >>> what the majority want? >>> >>> Please, be honest with yourself and at least admit to the possibility. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>>> says a lot about the state of things >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>> just >>>>> a few days. >>>>> >>>>> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it >>>>> was a good idea was in the minority? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>>> just >>>>>> a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being >>>>>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL >>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server >>>>>>>> owners over official ones. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro < >>>>>>>> smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative >>>>>>>>> cunts no matter what choice is made? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed >>>>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all >>>>>>>>>> wishful >>>>>>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric >>>>>>>>>> Smith >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>> hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>> hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are >>>>>>>>>> below. The >>>>>>>>>> new version is 3065162. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or >>>>>>>>>> less of RAM >>>>>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players on >>>>>>>>>> Intel >>>>>>>>>> Integrated GPUs >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the backpack >>>>>>>>>> (design is >>>>>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front) >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle >>>>>>>>>> Collection >>>>>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe >>>>>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham >>>>>>>>>> Knight >>>>>>>>>> Contest >>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and >>>>>>>>>> Thunder >>>>>>>>>> Mountain >>>>>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of >>>>>>>>>> the Jack >>>>>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player >>>>>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, and >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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