>Not even remotely true. Were the nefarious server operators out there? Of course there were. Did the majority of communities "cheat"? Of course not - most wouldn't think of risking having their servers banned.
No one is saying the majority did cheat. But if an actual fair test were to take place, no cheating is something that has to happen. >At any rate, I'm puzzled why there are folks on a server operators mailing list who not only have an agenda against community servers, but obviously don't even run a server. So with that, feel free to have the last word, I'm out of troll food. I love how you consider me having an agenda against community servers and I'm unsure how you can know that I don't run a server. I run a small server that is running stock vanilla. The maps are different, but I don't have any of the crazy stuff. Either case, it's amazing that you consider me the enemy because I simply suggested looking at it from Valves perspective. Every time someone attempts to come on and talk, you gang up on them (like you are doing here with me) and say they are against community servers. If you want Valve to talk to you guys, I'm sure the door is open. Just show you are not going to start accusing us of being these really evil people who just want to keep you down. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:45 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and > cheated to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will > not do so? > > Not even remotely true. Were the nefarious server operators out there? Of > course there were. Did the majority of communities "cheat"? Of course not - > most wouldn't think of risking having their servers banned. > > At any rate, I'm puzzled why there are folks on a server operators mailing > list who not only have an agenda against community servers, but obviously > don't even run a server. So with that, feel free to have the last word, I'm > out of troll food. > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com> > wrote: > >> > if we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then >> let's have a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design >> vastly favor hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. >> >> A fair test was given. Community servers saw a drop in players and >> cheated to get them back. Why should Valve play fair if the community will >> not do so? >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:27 PM, E. Olsen <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd be happy to admit that if all servers had been treated equally for >>> he last couple of years, but that's not the case, is it? >>> >>> Everything from Valve's servers being the "default" setting (google the >>> "default effect" if you don't know why that gives them a huge advantage) to >>> the very design of the user-interface, which uses a button labeled "play >>> multiplayer", which has served to marginalize the server browser at best. >>> >>> ...but that theory would be easy to test, wouldn't it? Return all >>> servers (both community and Valve's servers) to the quickplay pool by >>> default, and allow players to OPT OUT of being connected to a community >>> server, instead of the current system which forces them to go a few menus >>> deep to opt-in. >>> >>> After all, if the majority of players truly want to play on Valve's >>> servers only, then the proof will be in the pudding, and it won't make a >>> difference, right? >>> >>> >>> It's all well and good to say "this is what the players want", but >>> unless all the options are given equal treatment across the board, then no >>> one can truly say one way or the other. You have your bias against >>> community servers, and I tend to think random games with random people is >>> the absolute worst presentation of what TF2 is supposed to be....but if >>> we're going to have a fair test of "what the people want", then let's have >>> a fair test, not one where the default settings and UI design vastly favor >>> hiding all the diversity and options outside of Valve servers. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>>> says a lot about the state of things >>>> >>>> Again.. Could it be possible that the majority of the players WANT to >>>> play on vanilla servers? That community servers, while fills a niche, isn't >>>> what the majority want? >>>> >>>> Please, be honest with yourself and at least admit to the possibility. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd say the sharp drops in player count since valve servers took over >>>>> says a lot about the state of things >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>>> just >>>>>> a few days. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it >>>>>> was a good idea was in the minority? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>>>>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, >>>>>>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> a few days. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector < >>>>>>> t...@mostdeadlygame.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being >>>>>>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL >>>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson < >>>>>>>> thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server >>>>>>>>> owners over official ones. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have >>>>>>>>> been made were between bad for communities or bad for communities? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers >>>>>>>>> from the browser, was reversed in a matter of days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro < >>>>>>>>> smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative >>>>>>>>>> cunts no matter what choice is made? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <ad...@gamerscrib.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed >>>>>>>>>>> lots of >>>>>>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all >>>>>>>>>>> wishful >>>>>>>>>>> thinking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric >>>>>>>>>>> Smith >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>>> hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com; >>>>>>>>>>> hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are >>>>>>>>>>> below. The >>>>>>>>>>> new version is 3065162. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or >>>>>>>>>>> less of RAM >>>>>>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players >>>>>>>>>>> on Intel >>>>>>>>>>> Integrated GPUs >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the >>>>>>>>>>> backpack (design is >>>>>>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front) >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle >>>>>>>>>>> Collection >>>>>>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe >>>>>>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham >>>>>>>>>>> Knight >>>>>>>>>>> Contest >>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and >>>>>>>>>>> Thunder >>>>>>>>>>> Mountain >>>>>>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of >>>>>>>>>>> the Jack >>>>>>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player >>>>>>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, >>>>>>>>>>> and The >>>>>>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>>>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>>>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>>>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>>>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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