Actually to expand, I agree with spots in that effort on their part may be unfavorable if they think things are okay the way they are. Mind you, they have promised us over a year ago they would work on trying to get community servers something to work with, and they have made no progress on that, trying to put more work on their side won't be a good solution.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Rowedahelicon < theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > Why does it need to be a "proper" system when things were okay prior to QP > though? > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < > proph...@sticed.org> wrote: > >> If they are overwhelmed by adding 2-3 more checkboxes to a menu, I can't >> help them. >> If a proper system, most of it porting stuff over from csgo, is too much >> to ask, they shouldn't allow community servers at all and shut us down all >> together tomorrow. It's that simple. >> I'm making this effort simply because I'd like to give them a chance and >> assume that they did not advance any further on this topic because of the >> bad signal to noise ration these discussions have, and not because they're >> understaffed and/or too lazy to make it right. Hence my initial proposal of >> the group. >> I also see these interfaces usable for other games (I mean I'm suggesting >> stuff that's used in csgo already), it's a good investment. >> If they want to kill community servers and mods all together, it's their >> loss. Those mods that are being developed and played on community servers >> (for example) are where future talent and products are at. Then they >> deserve to go down in flames and end up being the next EA or Ubisoft. (Last >> I checked, ubisoft was desperate enough to search for future talent, hiding >> behind "bluebyte", at our local college which doesn't even have computer >> science courses) >> >> >> On 19.12.2015 03:17, Cats From Above wrote: >> >> By tough enough sell, I am essentially stating that convincing Valve that >> the benefits of changing the Quickplay system in ways that are favorable to >> "community" servers as opposed to the risk of "community" servers abusing >> that trust again will be difficult enough to achieve, without the added >> demotivates of "And while you're at it, we'd like you to change this and >> this and this and this and this etc." >> >> You have to remember that Valve has "tried" to work with communities in >> the past, unsuccessfully I might add. It is understandable that they'd err >> on the side of caution when considering Quickplay changes, hence we'd need >> to make it as appealing as possible for them and that means not bogging >> down the apparent essence of this discussion (We'd like stock servers to be >> treated equally) with a truck-load of clinger-on demands. >> >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >> <proph...@sticed.org>proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >> >>> What do you mean by "tough enough sell"? >>> >>> >>> On 19.12.2015 03:03, Cats From Above wrote: >>> >>> Matthias, I cannot help but disagree with the scope you’re proposing. >>> Getting stock servers back into Quickplay with HTML MOTDs disabled will be >>> a tough enough sell let alone accommodating HTML MOTDs, custom game modes, >>> custom maps and non-default configurations. >>> >>> I believe it would behove of us to collectively take one hurdle at a >>> time. Getting genuine stock servers back in is the first step. In this step >>> Valve would have to implement a policy framework that ensures compliance >>> with the rules – which will inconvenience them enough I’m sure. To >>> complicate that issue with things like adding support for custom game-modes >>> is to risk Valve turning around and saying, “This is more trouble than >>> we’re willing to take on at this time. Sorry guys, thank you but no thank >>> you.” >>> >>> If we can collectively win a small victory in terms of stock servers and >>> ensuring stock server compliance with Valve’s rulkes, then that opens the >>> door to requesting and proposing other changes such as those which you >>> would desire. But to smother Valve with a myriad of changes right from the >>> beginning is to simply beg them to put us in the too hard pile and I >>> fear that would be an unrecoverable position. >>> >>> >>> Further, it would benefit us to realise that Valve does not wish to play >>> the role of babysitter all the time. In the past they have threatened to >>> ban server operators, have done so here and there across a period of a >>> couple of weeks, and then found better uses of their time. That's fair >>> call. Whatever system we devise needs to be set and forget. >>> >>> >>> Though I do concede one benefit of what Matthias is proposing. By going >>> to Valve with a holistic (albeit far more complicated) initial step, one >>> can possibly remove the incentive for server operators to pass off thier >>> servers as something they are not by virtue of the fact that Quickplay will >>> accommodate servers that it previous didn't. Though again, it would be >>> prudant of Matthias to drop his incessant mentioning of advertising in this >>> context, since it is at best premature. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Rowedahelicon < >>> <theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com>theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >>> >>>> With QP as it is now, people can still get away with breaking some of >>>> the rules. Will Valve be willing to police trouble makers when it is so >>>> easy to fire up a new server on a new account? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>>> <proph...@sticed.org>proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Switch to the token system from csgo, include all servers in the >>>>> quickplay pool (sole exception might be servers that offer reserved slots >>>>> for cash) but give the players more options. Tag servers properly so >>>>> quickplayers can decide for themselves if they want to join a server that >>>>> runs ads or not, or try out a community mod, or custom maps. >>>>> >>>>> Make some of the quickplay offenses ban-able: >>>>> <https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513> >>>>> https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 >>>>> >>>>> i.e. >>>>> Opening a MOTD window (hidden or visible) that is not requested >>>>> Forcing clients to view the MOTD until a timer has expired >>>>> Giving or selling gameplay advantage to players >>>>> Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that devalue >>>>> players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy >>>>> Browser popups >>>>> >>>>> By default do not show official servers in the server browser (add >>>>> that checkbox back). >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> <https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > -- > *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* > Web Designer / Artist / Writer > Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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