> > Also, my main problem with this idea stems from other groups out there > that do things that I would call "not Valve-friendly". We have groups out > there using fake unusual hat plugins still to this day (TitanTF, Skial, > there was a third big one I can't remember).
Hello 404 user not found. The only thing we do is attach particles to hats, we do not give out real hats. It was not illegal for years up until the quickplay rule came out much later and we promptly disabled the plugin on those servers. I feel it is fair for us to be able to use some game assets in this manner as there is not really much else players will pay for without going pay2win, especially when you are hosting vanilla servers. But if there was a change made by Valve to benefit community servers with the requirement that the plugin be disabled, we would have no problem doing so. This is also a funny complaint from someone that is also selling unusuals as a donator feature. It is really sad that you can't stop holding a grudge for being banned for racism 7 years ago for a single day and then complaining that we were being greedy because you were able to pay for your own server with your welfare check. So much so, that you continue to trash talk us all this time every chance you get on every major forum related to tf2. ------ Anyway back to community servers in general. Community servers are hurting in so many ways that a single solution short of bringing back quickplay isn't going to stop the current collapse. 1) The GUI could be vastly improved. There are some lessons to be learned from Overwatch. https://i.imgur.com/7yURDHc.png Notice how each game mode is equally visible, while in TF2 there is a clear bias towards the game mode at the top given how small the menu is. There's also no need for Training and Create Server to be in the same list either which probably hardly ever get used. 2) There needs to be some kind of quickplay system for community servers. People are too conditioned to being able to play in 1 click for too long that a browser cannot compete anymore. 3) Every contract that comes out causes major damage. It would be simple to create a few contracts that can only be done on community servers, perhaps giving a smaller reward if Valve is worried about abuse. Even if the rewards weren't as large, it would help make more new players aware. When the casual servers were down in the first 2 days of the patch, we had a lot of players that said they never knew community servers even existed due to problem #1. That's all the suggestions I have that have not been mentioned and ignored in the past. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:43 PM, 404 <404usernotfound...@gmail.com> wrote: > "The stipulation would be that in order to host an contract capable > server, the server owner would need to pay a fee to Valve in addition to > signing a contract which ideally would be negotiated through some members > of the community and Valve directly." > > I dislike this idea as it stands. Some smaller communities who would want > to have an "official" server would be screwed especially if the operator > doesn't have a Paypal. I'm not saying this to indicate that I would be one > such person with such an issue, as I have no issues paying the monthly cost > of my VPS and would have no issue tacking on any kind of fee for an > "official" server. I know several smaller communities that something like > this would affect negatively. > > Also, my main problem with this idea stems from other groups out there > that do things that I would call "not Valve-friendly". We have groups out > there using fake unusual hat plugins still to this day (TitanTF, Skial, > there was a third big one I can't remember). Come Halloween, we still get > servers popping up that run a plugin that just teleports everyone to a gift > spawn at a set interval and continues to teleport people to the next spawn > on the map until the gift is collected. The community can't be trusted to > adhere to Valve's guidelines. This is best seen in the CSGO server hosting > community where fake coins/skins/sprays/gloves/etc are still a huge sore on > the arse of the community and there's still people selling plugins (and > claiming they won't get your GLST tokens blacklisted, that's part of their > advertising) that allow for these things. > > Aside from groups choosing not to follow Valve's guidelines and the > damaging effect the idea could have on smaller groups, I don't think having > a contract would do much either. Would the contract state "you are not to > use fake unusual hat plugins"? If so, I doubt anyone would care or even > follow that guideline. The idea sounds good, but it raises more questions > than it answers. > > Also yes, an invite to this servers.tf discord would be nice. It'd be > nice to not leave other server operators out of the discussion. > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, ghostboy1225 <ghostboy21...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> may we get a link to the server.tf discord since i haven't found it in >> the last few days >> >> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Rowedahelicon < >> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >> >>> The proposal: >>> I am proposing that a system be integrated into the TF2 server community >>> that would allow community server owners to run "official" community >>> servers that would have access to contract progression like a standard >>> Valve server. The stipulation would be that in order to host an contract >>> capable server, the server owner would need to pay a fee to Valve in >>> addition to signing a contract which ideally would be negotiated through >>> some members of the community and Valve directly. >>> >>> The contract would ensure a quality of server for public players to >>> join, with the overall intention of being allowed to use that server as a >>> gateway to the "true community" servers should a user want to explore more. >>> >>> The reasoning: >>> TF2 is a mess, which has been brought up here many times before with no >>> progress. I recently attempted to play through some of the Jungle Inferno >>> contracts when they were first available only to find most Valve servers >>> are horrible quality. >>> >>> I consistently ran into rampant racism, players getting kicked / >>> punished for trying to play the objective, trolling, flaming, so on and so >>> forth. There are also hackers but that is its own mess right now. The game >>> itself sees spikes in player activity that fades away in time, leading to >>> the assumption that players come back to see the new things and get turned >>> off again. >>> >>> A large portion of my community have said they only play TF2 in said >>> community, and if they had Valve servers as their only option, would cease >>> playing the game entirely. >>> >>> In addition, I and a number of my peers feel that this quality being >>> presented to your average player is simply unacceptable when the >>> alternative in the past commonly was a well moderated community server that >>> encouraged consistent members, friendships, and play. >>> >>> However having done some of these contracts, I also understand the >>> concern that anyone could pop up a server and rig the system in their >>> favor, which has been done in the past. This is why I and others feel that >>> a fee along with a contract that could penalize bad actors would benefit >>> the TF2 community overall as well as Valve. >>> >>> Someone even proposed that this system in CS:GO could allow for >>> community run 128 tick servers which have been sought after for years, >>> another example of a possible mutual benefit. >>> >>> The pros: >>> -Better moderation would allow for true hackers, trolls, and other >>> riff-raff to not bother otherwise innocent players >>> -Better handling of situations like the heavy over-healing being left on >>> a weekend >>> -Community servers flourish friendships, which lead to people staying in >>> the game longer and learning at a better rate than they would from a >>> community server >>> -The above has benefits to the pro/comp TF2 community which has been >>> consistently dying off / running out of fresh talent since the start of >>> quickplay. >>> >>> The cons: >>> -Punishment for bad actors would be important, and would depend on the >>> rules that would be set in place. >>> -While a "official" server should be limited in mods, it is important >>> that a community run server at least have access to proper moderation tools >>> with Sourcemod, and at least a chat ad system for helping direct potential >>> players to their other servers. >>> >>> Final notes: >>> This is being presented as is, however I am welcome to discussion and >>> debate. It should be noted that in the past, this mailing list has devolved >>> to pessimism and otherwise unhelpful discussion. I extend this offer of >>> discussion to Valve directly, either by email personally or a discussion in >>> the servers.tf discord channel. >>> >>> Thank you for reading, have a pleasant day. >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > -- > Regards, 404: User Not Found > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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