That wouldn't work. unless Valve implements a global ban system where they track HWIDs and such for bans (which they never will do) , the HWID would HAVE to be shared to be able to ban by it. You can hardly ban someone by a particular attribute of their account (or indeed check to see if they are banned by said attribute) without actually knowing the attribute in the first place.
________________________________ From: Scruppy Dawg <sc2p...@gmail.com> To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com>; Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops can ban HWID too. Like I said, the HWID itself wouldn't be shared. When you ban a SteamID there would be something you would add to the ban command to issue a HWID ban on that SteamID as well. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <mreeu...@yahoo.com>wrote: > Steamguard generates a random number for the client, which is "linked" to > the machine afaik with the steam client. You cannot get that one, that > would be bad. > > The HWID, is generated at installation of steam I think, and is probably > passed on to Valve at logon every time. Never really looked at it. But > sharing that has other security issues I guess. > > its a strange thing, for things conflict a lot. > - Valve can't discuss individual accounts specifics (being a alt account > of somebody would prolly be not good for them in legal) > - sharing such identifying info would benefit the server owners in the > amount of effort needed to keep their servers clean, but that would be > defeated by some those hackers would start to do to prevent such. > > I do not think valve would want to start that arms race. I rather have > them up the par on VAC, as far as I hear, there are now various cheats that > aren't been vac'd by valve after x time. They do move over to new account > for too many servers they got banned on to be able to join much. > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Eli Witt <eliw...@gmail.com> > >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list < > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > >Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 22:05 > >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops > can ban HWID too. > > > > > >It really depends on how the HWID is generated and if they're fuzzy or > not. > >It could literally be as simple as a 1 digit change to a MAC address on a > >NIC that's not even active, or it could stamp every piece of hardware that > >it can pull unique information from and fuzzy the shit out of it. > > > > > >On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:56 AM, dan <needa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> On 23/08/2013 01:43, Scruppy Dawg wrote: > >> > >>> Everyone knows the HWIDs are stored due to Steamguard (Or some form of > >>> HWID, anyway). Couldn't Valve simply add something so that server > >>> operators, when banning a SteamID, can also elect to ban the associated > >>> HWID? The HWID never needs to be exposed to the server admins. > >>> > >> > >> Is it difficult to change hwid though? > >> > >> I can't say I've looked at it or care about it, but if something as > simple > >> as > >> changing the mac address alters it, it's not likely to improve anything. > >> > >> It sounds like one of these things that might work for a week or 2 and > then > >> cheaters would just figure out a way of working around it. > >> > >> Auto detecting cheating and kicking / banning seems the best approach. > >> Doesn't SMAC and the alternatives work well enough to do that? > >> > >> I've got to say I don't really notice a significant problem with > cheaters > >> in TF2 > >> on the servers I play on. > >> > >> I can't imagine why someone would keep creating accounts and going back > to > >> the same server > >> only to be kicked and banned immediately, unless it's reached the point > >> where > >> he's just doing it to wind the server owner and admins up. > >> > >> -- > >> Dan > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
