As long as Valve stores the HWID for each SteamID then they could make that available as a banning mechanism to server ops without exposing it. They would just have to add something to the Steam authentication when you join a server and check that HWID against your banned list.
I would ban a SteamID and add the option that I want the HWID associated with it banned. SteamID A with HWID 1111 is banned from my servers. But later if SteamID B joins with HWID 1111 a check is done on auth and they are not allowed to join. I would have to think most of this logging is already in place and it would just be a matter of changing the server and auth method. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Bjorn Wielens <[email protected]> wrote: > That wouldn't work. unless Valve implements a global ban system where they > track HWIDs and such for bans (which they never will do) , the HWID would > HAVE to be shared to be able to ban by it. You can hardly ban someone by a > particular attribute of their account (or indeed check to see if they are > banned by said attribute) without actually knowing the attribute in the > first place. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Scruppy Dawg <[email protected]> > To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Linux > server mailing list <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:33:28 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops can > ban HWID too. > > > Like I said, the HWID itself wouldn't be shared. When you ban a SteamID > there would be something you would add to the ban command to issue a HWID > ban on that SteamID as well. > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Steamguard generates a random number for the client, which is "linked" to > > the machine afaik with the steam client. You cannot get that one, that > > would be bad. > > > > The HWID, is generated at installation of steam I think, and is probably > > passed on to Valve at logon every time. Never really looked at it. But > > sharing that has other security issues I guess. > > > > its a strange thing, for things conflict a lot. > > - Valve can't discuss individual accounts specifics (being a alt account > > of somebody would prolly be not good for them in legal) > > - sharing such identifying info would benefit the server owners in the > > amount of effort needed to keep their servers clean, but that would be > > defeated by some those hackers would start to do to prevent such. > > > > I do not think valve would want to start that arms race. I rather have > > them up the par on VAC, as far as I hear, there are now various cheats > that > > aren't been vac'd by valve after x time. They do move over to new account > > for too many servers they got banned on to be able to join much. > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Eli Witt <[email protected]> > > >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list < > > [email protected]> > > >Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 22:05 > > >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops > > can ban HWID too. > > > > > > > > >It really depends on how the HWID is generated and if they're fuzzy or > > not. > > >It could literally be as simple as a 1 digit change to a MAC address on > a > > >NIC that's not even active, or it could stamp every piece of hardware > that > > >it can pull unique information from and fuzzy the shit out of it. > > > > > > > > >On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:56 AM, dan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> On 23/08/2013 01:43, Scruppy Dawg wrote: > > >> > > >>> Everyone knows the HWIDs are stored due to Steamguard (Or some form > of > > >>> HWID, anyway). Couldn't Valve simply add something so that server > > >>> operators, when banning a SteamID, can also elect to ban the > associated > > >>> HWID? The HWID never needs to be exposed to the server admins. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Is it difficult to change hwid though? > > >> > > >> I can't say I've looked at it or care about it, but if something as > > simple > > >> as > > >> changing the mac address alters it, it's not likely to improve > anything. > > >> > > >> It sounds like one of these things that might work for a week or 2 and > > then > > >> cheaters would just figure out a way of working around it. > > >> > > >> Auto detecting cheating and kicking / banning seems the best approach. > > >> Doesn't SMAC and the alternatives work well enough to do that? > > >> > > >> I've got to say I don't really notice a significant problem with > > cheaters > > >> in TF2 > > >> on the servers I play on. > > >> > > >> I can't imagine why someone would keep creating accounts and going > back > > to > > >> the same server > > >> only to be kicked and banned immediately, unless it's reached the > point > > >> where > > >> he's just doing it to wind the server owner and admins up. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________**_________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> https://list.valvesoftware. > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
