On Jun 13, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Michael Thomas <m...@fresheez.com> wrote:
> Are we talking about the same thing? I'm not sure what naming has to do with 
> dealing with crappy/default passwords on router web interfaces?
> 
If your router has a name, it can get a cert.  If it doesn’t have a name, it 
can’t.   That cert then becomes a basis for establishing trust.

In the case of devices on the home network establishing trust with the router, 
you have to bootstrap that somehow.   In that case, the easiest thing to do is 
as I suggested: 

you have access to the router’s network
nobody else has established trust yet

This isn’t ideal, but it creates a pathway for further trust establishment: 
once you have one device that has a trusted key, then that device can authorize 
additional devices, which can authorize additional devices.   A device that 
comes onto the network after initial trust establishment can’t get trust 
without being approved.

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