Oh Adam, please don’t do that. I was not saying your company is “average”, and I’m certainly not speaking for Adobe, so don’t turn this into an assertion that THEY think you are, either. I was speaking in generalities, as I hope anyone else reading along understood.
And indeed, I added that if software sales folks DO come around “it’s generally at a level where many of us ‘regular folks’ wouldn’t be involved”. Also, it seems these days that even enterprise software sales are more about phone calls and online meetings, so even less typical that one would actually “see a vendor coming around”. You may feel differently, and fair enough. I was just trying to offer some counterpoints for the discussion, about whether this is indeed more “signs of the apocalypse” regarding CF or not. I don’t see it that way, but I realize that even what I say may not sway some. Hey, it’s just conversation around the water cooler. But that’s the second comment you’ve made in a row where I can’t tell if you’re saying these things as some sort of swipe at me. I don’t know that we ever had any beef—I certainly don’t recall any. If you want to tell me about something, feel free either directly or to the group. If I’m misreading you, feel free to set me straight there also. I’m just trying to help, not stir up any trouble. /charlie From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouse Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 06:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question Well Oracle and Microsoft certainly take the time to come out and meet us still, I guess we are not an "average customer" to them. Adobe used to do this, at least once a year with us if not more often than that, good to know we are just "average" now in their eyes, but then again I think we long since figured that out anyway. -- Admiral Aaron Rouse On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:38 PM, charlie arehart <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I don’t know if you’re saying that in jest, Aaron, but I would have been that “certain Charlie”. :-) Yep, I worked for New Atlanta from 2003-2006 (hard to believe it’s been over 10 years since I left). And yep, as we were needing to persuade people about the value it brought (especially for .NET deployment of CFML, when that was—and still is—compelling to some transitioning to ASP.NET), we did have me traveling around to user groups and key clients/prospects, and I do believe I spoke at the houcfug. :-) But back to the “don’t see Adobe coming around”, that is another one where I would say I rarely have seen most companies really selling their product to the average customer, or if they do it’s generally at a level where many of us “regular folks” wouldn’t be involved. :-) I’m picturing golf outings, executive lunches, stuff like that, which is what I suspect happens with most enterprise products. The number of such big CF deals in any given city may be very low, so I just don’t expect most CFers would ever see an Adobe person. This is similar to how especially international folks often complain they never see Adobe (in person, at events, or in their media), and I would often say in effect, “hey, trust me. The average American doesn’t, either. It’s really not somehow very different here, and it’s definitely not about Adobe disrespecting you and your country’s folks”. :-) /charlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
