You really are missing the point here. They used to come out and basically "sell" a product and upcoming new versions of it. They stopped doing that for whatever reasons they had. They stopped doing that around the same time a lot more people outside the coding side of the product started getting wind of this now 10+ year old rumor the product is dead. The "non average" folks who make decisions as to what products will and will not be used start to feel this is an abandoned technology and just being milked for money until finally dies. Those folks make the decision to move to technologies that they do not hear are dead and do not feel the parent companies have abandoned.
Then fast forward to present day and the communication on the product to existing customers is basically non-existent, especially if you do not read some CF blog mentioned in prior emails on this thread. The only two companies I can compare to would be Oracle and Microsoft. They do come out, feel the need for showing their faces and trying to make people aware of their products and upcoming features/changes. Sure those are much bigger companies, but they are doing basically just what Adobe used to do with us. Physically seeing someone makes a much more lasting impression. I am glad CF got their 8000 new clients or whatever that number was, but they really are doing a bad job of making long term clients feel like they should stick with the product. A great example is in this very email thread where the leader of this CF user group stated they moved their company from CF to Ruby and stated some reasons. To me that is not an overly good sign of a product being all that great when the very leaders of user groups for the product have moved away from it and make statements which seem to show them disliking Adobe. -- Admiral Aaron Rouse .... or Adam if you want On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:02 AM, charlie arehart <[email protected] > wrote: > Oh Adam, please don’t do that. I was not saying your company is “average”, > and I’m certainly not speaking for Adobe, so don’t turn this into an > assertion that THEY think you are, either. I was speaking in generalities, > as I hope anyone else reading along understood. > > And indeed, I added that if software sales folks DO come around “it’s > generally at a level where many of us ‘regular folks’ wouldn’t be > involved”. Also, it seems these days that even enterprise software sales > are more about phone calls and online meetings, so even less typical that > one would actually “see a vendor coming around”. > > You may feel differently, and fair enough. I was just trying to offer some > counterpoints for the discussion, about whether this is indeed more “signs > of the apocalypse” regarding CF or not. I don’t see it that way, but I > realize that even what I say may not sway some. Hey, it’s just conversation > around the water cooler. > > But that’s the second comment you’ve made in a row where I can’t tell if > you’re saying these things as some sort of swipe at me. I don’t know that > we ever had any beef—I certainly don’t recall any. If you want to tell me > about something, feel free either directly or to the group. If I’m > misreading you, feel free to set me straight there also. I’m just trying to > help, not stir up any trouble. > > /charlie > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Monday, August 7, 2017 06:36 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question > > > > > > Well Oracle and Microsoft certainly take the time to come out and meet us > still, I guess we are not an "average customer" to them. Adobe used to do > this, at least once a year with us if not more often than that, good to > know we are just "average" now in their eyes, but then again I think we > long since figured that out anyway. > > > > -- > > Admiral Aaron Rouse > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:38 PM, charlie arehart < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I don’t know if you’re saying that in jest, Aaron, but I would have been > that “certain Charlie”. :-) > > Yep, I worked for New Atlanta from 2003-2006 (hard to believe it’s been > over 10 years since I left). And yep, as we were needing to persuade people > about the value it brought (especially for .NET deployment of CFML, when > that was—and still is—compelling to some transitioning to ASP.NET), we did > have me traveling around to user groups and key clients/prospects, and I do > believe I spoke at the houcfug. :-) > > But back to the “don’t see Adobe coming around”, that is another one where > I would say I rarely have seen most companies really selling their product > to the average customer, or if they do it’s generally at a level where many > of us “regular folks” wouldn’t be involved. :-) I’m picturing golf outings, > executive lunches, stuff like that, which is what I suspect happens with > most enterprise products. The number of such big CF deals in any given city > may be very low, so I just don’t expect most CFers would ever see an Adobe > person. > > This is similar to how especially international folks often complain they > never see Adobe (in person, at events, or in their media), and I would > often say in effect, “hey, trust me. The average American doesn’t, either. > It’s really not somehow very different here, and it’s definitely not about > Adobe disrespecting you and your country’s folks”. :-) > > /charlie > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston > ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. 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