Ha...haa... Makin banyak yang turun gunung ya....bagus lah BS (Benyamin Sapiie yang juga skeptis seperti saya. Kalo gk salah th yl pernah diundang AR ke Setneg ya, saya gk bs datang waktu itu). Saya harap ada rekan2 lain dari geofisik yang ikut nimbrung, kayanya kok DH sendirian ya? YSY
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:12 PM, <danny.hil...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bung Mino kayanya kurang nyimak inti permasalahannya deh. Bukan ttg ilmiah > Orang bertanya atau kritik atau mledek ya perlu disambut supaya tdk > kecewa. Yang sy defence bukan saya tapi kebenaran. Sy sih biasa2 aja kok. > > Kamana wae euy? > > Danny Hilman Natawidjaja > LabEarth (Laboratory for Earth Hazards) > Geoteknologi - LIPI > ------------------------------ > *From: * Ben Sapiie <bsap...@geodin.net> > *Sender: * <iagi-net@iagi.or.id> > *Date: *Sun, 5 May 2013 17:49:18 +0700 > *To: *iagi-net@iagi.or.id<iagi-net@iagi.or.id> > *ReplyTo: * iagi-net@iagi.or.id > *Subject: *Re: [iagi-net] age of homo sapines....Re: [iagi-net] SITUS > GUNUNG PADANG : BELAJAR DARI ARKEOLOG > > Wah kelihatannya dua kubu sudah menggali Kampak perang nih utk urusan > penelitian Gunung Padang. Menyimak diskusinya sudah sangat menarik > walaupun akhirnya tetap tidak memberikan kesimpulan maupun keyakinan yg > pasti paling tidak buat saya. Karena sejauh ini argumennya belum berimbang > baik metoda maupun sample yang dianalisa. Agak sulit kalau perdebatan > ilmiah tetapi membanding interpretasinya bukan datanya dulu. Harapan saya > utk berargumentasi ilmiah harus Ada duplikasi analisa atau bahkan > memberikan alternatif metoda yang dapat dijadikan acuan secara kuantitatif. > > Misalnya sample semen, kekar kolom dan juga dating method. Sudah banyak > contoh dalam paper ilmiah yang memberikan perbedaan dalam hasil analisa utk > sample yang sama. Belum lagi masalah kontaminasi dalam pengambilan dll. Hal > yang menarik jika benar adalah homo sapien yang 23,000 sdh sangat maju. > Terus terang saya skeptic ... Tetapi cukup menarik utk diikuti.. > > DH tidak perlu terlalu defensif saya kira ini Hal biasa dalam science > seperti yang diperlihatkan dalam sejarah. Pak Sujatmiko dengan group juga > harus demikian paling tidak bisa hrs berargumentasi secara seimbang dengan > hasil team independen. Sebagai contoh, sampai saat ini juga masih Ada yang > mengatut teori expanding earth misalnya atau anti dengan plate tectonic. > Sejarah memperlihatkan bahwa perjalanan utk pembuktian sebuah teori atau > hipotesa bisa sangat panjang .... Atau tidak berakhir.. > > Sayangnya bukti yang dapat menyakinkan kebenaran ini utk Gn. Padang > sekarang kelihatannya akan tertunda.. > > Salam, > > Ben Sapiie > > > > > > > > > > Send from my iPad > > On May 5, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Franciscus B Sinartio <fbsinar...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human > > sekedar memperlancar diskusi, ini saya kasih link ke wikipedia ttg umur > hamo sapiens. > > saya cut dan paste sedikit juga > > *Humans* (*Homo sapiens*) are primates<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate> > of > the family Hominidae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae>, and the > only extant <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extant> species of the genus * > Homo > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo>*.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-2> > [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-3> Humans are > characterized by having a large<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization> > brain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain> relative to body size, > with a particularly well developed > neocortex<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocortex> > , prefrontal cortex <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex> and > temporal > lobes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_lobe>, making them capable > of abstract reasoning <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning>, > language<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language> > , introspection <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection>, problem > solving <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving> and > culture<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture> through > social learning. This mental capability, combined with an adaptation to > bipedal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipedal> locomotion that frees the > hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use > of tools <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool> than any other species. > Humans are the only extant species known to build > fires<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire> > and cook their food <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking>, as well as > the only known species to clothe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing> > themselves > and create and use numerous other > technologies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology> > and arts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art>. The scientific study of > humans is the discipline of > anthropology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology> > . > Humans are uniquely adept at utilizing systems of symbolic communication > such as language and art for self-expression, the exchange of ideas, and > organization. Humans create complex social > structures<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure> composed > of many cooperating and competing groups, from > families<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family> > and kinship <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship> networks to > states<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)> > . Social interactions <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interaction> > between > humans have established an extremely wide variety of values, social > norms<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_(sociology)>, > and rituals <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual>, which together form > the basis of human society. Humans are noted for their desire to understand > and influence their environment, seeking to explain and manipulate > phenomena through science <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science>, > philosophy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy>, > mythology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology>, > and religion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion>. > *Homo sapiens* originated in Africa <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa>, > where it reached anatomical > modernity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans> about > 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral > modernity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity> around > 50,000 years > ago.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-evolutionthe1st4billionyears-4> > The > human lineage diverged from the last common > ancestor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_common_ancestor> with > its closest living relative, the > chimpanzee<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee>, > some five million years ago, evolving into the > Australopithecines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus> and > eventually the genus > *Homo*.[5]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-5> The > first *Homo* species to move out of Africa was*Homo > erectus<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus> > *, the African variety of which<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ergaster>, > together with *Homo > heidelbergensis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis> > *, is considered to be the immediate ancestor of modern humans. > >
