Iya nih Pak.  Kapan dong bisa berpartisipasi kalau kami presentasi,  Hari
Sabtu kemarin kami kan presentasi juga di acara FGMI.  Pak Yatno absen juga.
Status saya tidak sendirian pak, sudah menikah dan punya anak.
Alhamdulillah.

 

From: iagi-net@iagi.or.id [mailto:iagi-net@iagi.or.id] On Behalf Of yustinus
yuwono
Sent: 07 Mei 2013 1:56
To: iagi-net
Subject: Re: [iagi-net] age of homo sapines....Re: [iagi-net] SITUS GUNUNG
PADANG : BELAJAR DARI ARKEOLOG

 

Ha...haa...

Makin banyak yang turun gunung ya....bagus lah BS (Benyamin Sapiie yang juga
skeptis seperti saya. Kalo gk salah th yl pernah diundang AR ke Setneg ya,
saya gk bs datang waktu itu). Saya harap ada rekan2 lain dari geofisik yang
ikut nimbrung, kayanya kok DH sendirian ya?

YSY

 

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:12 PM, <danny.hil...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bung Mino kayanya kurang nyimak inti permasalahannya deh. Bukan ttg ilmiah
Orang bertanya atau kritik atau mledek ya perlu disambut supaya tdk kecewa.
Yang sy defence bukan saya tapi kebenaran. Sy sih biasa2 aja kok.

Kamana wae euy?

Danny Hilman Natawidjaja
LabEarth (Laboratory for Earth Hazards)
Geoteknologi - LIPI

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From: Ben Sapiie <bsap...@geodin.net> 

Sender: <iagi-net@iagi.or.id> 

Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 17:49:18 +0700

To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id<iagi-net@iagi.or.id>

ReplyTo: iagi-net@iagi.or.id 

Subject: Re: [iagi-net] age of homo sapines....Re: [iagi-net] SITUS GUNUNG
PADANG : BELAJAR DARI ARKEOLOG

 

Wah kelihatannya dua kubu sudah menggali Kampak perang nih utk urusan
penelitian Gunung Padang.  Menyimak diskusinya sudah sangat menarik walaupun
akhirnya tetap tidak memberikan kesimpulan maupun keyakinan yg pasti paling
tidak buat saya. Karena sejauh ini argumennya belum berimbang baik metoda
maupun sample yang dianalisa. Agak sulit kalau perdebatan ilmiah tetapi
membanding interpretasinya bukan datanya dulu. Harapan saya utk
berargumentasi ilmiah harus Ada duplikasi analisa atau bahkan memberikan
alternatif metoda yang dapat dijadikan acuan secara kuantitatif. 

 

Misalnya sample semen, kekar kolom dan juga dating method. Sudah banyak
contoh dalam paper ilmiah yang memberikan perbedaan dalam hasil analisa utk
sample yang sama. Belum lagi masalah kontaminasi dalam pengambilan dll. Hal
yang menarik jika benar adalah homo sapien yang 23,000  sdh sangat maju.
Terus terang saya skeptic ... Tetapi cukup menarik utk diikuti..

 

DH tidak perlu terlalu defensif saya kira ini Hal biasa dalam science
seperti yang diperlihatkan dalam sejarah. Pak Sujatmiko dengan group juga
harus demikian paling tidak bisa hrs berargumentasi secara seimbang dengan
hasil team independen. Sebagai contoh, sampai saat ini juga masih Ada yang
mengatut teori expanding earth misalnya atau anti dengan plate tectonic.
Sejarah memperlihatkan bahwa perjalanan utk pembuktian sebuah teori atau
hipotesa bisa sangat panjang .... Atau tidak berakhir..

 

Sayangnya bukti yang dapat menyakinkan kebenaran ini utk Gn. Padang sekarang
kelihatannya akan tertunda..

 

Salam,

 

Ben Sapiie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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On May 5, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Franciscus B Sinartio <fbsinar...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

 

sekedar memperlancar diskusi,  ini saya kasih link ke wikipedia ttg umur
hamo sapiens.

 

saya cut dan paste sedikit juga

 

Humans (Homo sapiens) are  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate> primates
of the family  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae> Hominidae, and the
only  <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extant> extant species of the genus
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo> Homo.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-2> [2]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-3> [3] Humans are
characterized by having a  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization>
large  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain> brain relative to body
size, with a particularly well developed
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocortex> neocortex,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex> prefrontal cortex and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_lobe> temporal lobes, making them
capable of abstract  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning> reasoning,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language> language,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection> introspection,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving> problem solving and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture> culture through social learning. This
mental capability, combined with an adaptation to
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipedal> bipedal locomotion that frees the
hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use
of  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool> tools than any other species. Humans
are the only extant species known to build
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire> firesand
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking> cook their food, as well as the only
known species to  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing> clothe themselves
and create and use numerous other  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology>
technologies and  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art> arts. The scientific
study of humans is the discipline of
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology> anthropology.

Humans are uniquely adept at utilizing systems of symbolic communication
such as language and art for self-expression, the exchange of ideas, and
organization. Humans create complex
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure> social structures composed
of many cooperating and competing groups, from
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family> families and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship> kinship networks to
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)> states.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_interaction> Social interactions
between humans have established an extremely wide variety of values,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_(sociology)> social norms, and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual> rituals, which together form the basis
of human society. Humans are noted for their desire to understand and
influence their environment, seeking to explain and manipulate phenomena
through  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science> science,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy> philosophy,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology> mythology, and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion> religion.

Homo sapiens originated in  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa> Africa,
where it reached  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans>
anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity> behavioral modernity
around 50,000 years ago.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-evolutionthe1st4billionyears-4
> [4] The human lineage diverged from the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_common_ancestor> last common ancestor
with its closest living relative, the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee> chimpanzee, some five million
years ago, evolving into the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus> Australopithecines and
eventually the genus Homo. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#cite_note-5>
[5] The first Homo species to move out of Africa was
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus> Homo erectus, the
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ergaster> African variety of which,
together with  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis> Homo
heidelbergensis, is considered to be the immediate ancestor of modern
humans.

 

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