I think I've mentioned this here before, but I used to work at P&H Mining 
Equipment in Milwaukee.  They had a mainframe running SAP/R2, and several other 
applications.  It was an MP3000-H50.  In the mid 90's, they bought Joy Mining 
in Pennsylvania.  Joy converted their old 3081 to an Lpar on our machine in 
Milwaukee back in 1996.  A few years later, Joy decided they didn't want to go 
through a Y2K conversion, and still have all old software.  They converted 
everything to SAP/R3, and got off our mainframe in early 1999.  

When SAP said that if we ran P&H on the same equipment that Joy was using, they 
would not charge us for new SAP licenses.  This eliminated a huge cost, and P&H 
decided to convert to SAP/R3 and run it in Pennsylvania.  The project took just 
under 2 years when it finally got started till they turned the mainframe off.  
There was some pain at first, but the conversion as a whole went very well.  
According to management, they saved a bundle of money not having to pay for 2 
datacenters, no z/OS software and hardware, etc.  Eleven people, including 
myself and my boss were eliminated, although one retired, and a couple found 
jobs within the company.  One of those people got a job at higher pay as a 
forklift operator!  

You can get off the mainframe and save money!  Having a company with a 
datacenter already set up and running was a big help though.  I'm sure that had 
that not been the case, it would have taken at least a year or so more time to 
convert.

Eric

---- Michael Saraco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> In the end I have never heard of any shop getting off of the mainframe and 
> saving money. I don't know maybe there is savings after one or two hundred 
> years. 
> 
--
Eric Bielefeld
Systems Programmer
Aviva USA
Des Moines, Iowa
515-645-5153

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