On 31 Jan 2008 11:10:53 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >I have seen several shops get or try to get off the mainframe. The biggest >reason the upper management gives for trying to get off the mainframe is >no one coming out of college knows anything about the mainframe. When I >was hired as a SYSPROG I had never seen a mainframe the company gave some >test and asked if I wanted to learn the mainframe and I said yes. I was >trained by older SYSPROGs. I am sure that is how most SYSPROGs got trained >by their mentors. >I have never seen a mainframe to whatever platform happen in budget or in >the time frame that was sold to them. I have seen companies chunk millions >at trying to get off of the mainframe when they could train the staff and >exploit the mainframe for all of uses for decades. >The 4 shops I know off personally that did or tried to get off the >mainframe were all drive by upper management lack of understanding of the >mainframe or a sales rep that came in told them they could get off the >mainframe in 6 months and save them millions of dollars. What happened was >what they said the cost would be multiply it by 20 to get close and if >that does not drive the company into bankruptcy the added cost for all the >floor space for all the servers, office space for all the additional staff >to manage the server farms, and lets not forget all the extra cost of the >software for every server and and every engine turned on on the server >will unless they have a endless money pot. > >In the end I have never heard of any shop getting off of the mainframe and >saving money. I don't know maybe there is savings after one or two hundred >years. >
While I don;t know if they saved any money, I worked at a shop that had gone from the mainframe to HP-UX and was running a mainframe like environment including an ISPF for Unix and CICS for Unix. All VSAM was moved to Oracle as was the true database type info. I don't think they had more than 3 HP-UX boxes. > > >From: >"Kelman, Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >Date: >01/31/2008 12:16 PM >Subject: >Re: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell? > > > >Are you interested in just z/OS stories or in stories about mainframe >Linux also? One big story back in 2006 was the one about Nationwide >Insurance moving the processing from 400 servers to 2 IBM z900 Linux >systems. At the time they estimate the savings to by $15 million over 3 >years. Here is one article on it or you can Google "nationwide linux" >to get some more. > >http://www.linux.com/feature/59984 > > > >Tom Kelman >Commerce Bank of Kansas City >(816) 760-7632 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mautalen Juan Guillermo >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:58 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >> Subject: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell? >> >> Hi, >> >> I am full of reports, sent to Management, about completely succesfull >> conversions from the "old and expensive" "IBM Mainframe to other >> platforms. And, as you may know, the most important argument is that >the >> Mainframe is very expensive and the same level of processing, with the >> same degree of thrust, can be achieved in other platforms with much >less >> money. Of course, i dont beleive this, or at least i dont think things >> to be so simple. 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