What you believe has no relation to reallity. Maybe the built-in commands of your editor are sufficient for your needs, or maybe you have more tolerance for reptitive tasks than I, but others have more stringent requirements. No editor has built-in commands for everything a user might want to do.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I had to write a macro as I can do the things I need just using commands. On 28/01/2021 2:24 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > You're missing the point. A good macro facility makes it easy to extend the > editor and add feature that the designers never thought of. The edit macro > that I posted was intended to be an example of that. Were I familiar with > emacs I would have written an emacs macro in LISP, but the point would have > been the same. If I'm going to learn a *ix editor, why would I bother with > an editor without the ability to write macros when editors like emacs are > available? Why do you assume that an ISPF clone on a PC is limited to what is > possible on a 3270? > > Just because you don't understand why people like ISPF doesn't mean that "It > comes down to familiarity and a reluctance to invest time to learn new > things"; it doesn't. Maybe they know something you don't know. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux > > A REXX edit macro, that's great! In Vim I can position my cursor over a > function or keyword and press 'gd' to goto the defintion. It also has > plugins for code completion etc. All of this in a TUI. Intellij IDEA > is so advanced that it lints code while you type and flags problems. Use > a keyboard shortcut and it refactors the code. One of the most useful > features in modern editors is multiple cursors. > This is achieved in Vim using visual block mode. ISPF has no equivalent > and never will as 3270 is a half-duplex protocol. I'm not knocking ISPF. > I use it all the time. I would much rather use the > SDSF ISPF UI as opposed to of the z/OSMF GUI. The command line is more > efficient. But when it comes to editors, ISPF does not shine brightly. > It's incredibly limited which is why I don't understand > why people want to use the likes of SPF-PC to emulate ISPF on other > platforms when the native tools are so much better. It comes down to > familiarity and a reluctance to invest time to learn new things. > That's a fact and many of my colleagues openly admit it. They've reached > a stage in their career where they simply have no desire to change the > way they work. > > > On 28/01/2021 9:28 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> Isn't writing code macros a bit dated? >> No. Aren't editors that don't allow writing macros a bit dated? Trivial >> example: >> >> /* REXX from TSPF - not tested in ISPF */ >> address ISREDIT >> "MACRO" >> "CURSOR = 1 1" >> "(NEW) = LINENUM .ZCSR" >> "(LAST) = LINENUM .ZLAST" >> "(NLINE) = LINE" NEW >> do while NEW ¬= LAST >> OLD =NEW >> OLINE=NLINE >> "CURSOR =" OLD+1 >> "(NEW) = LINENUM .ZCSR" >> "(NLINE) = LINE "NEW >> if NLINE=OLINE >> then do >> 'DELETE' NEW >> 'CURSOR =' OLD >> "(NEW) = LINENUM .ZCSR" >> end >> "(LAST) = LINENUM .ZLAST" >> end >> >>> In Vim I can record macros. >> In ISPF I don't need them. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >> David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:18 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux >> >> On 28/01/2021 8:25 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: >>> Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF available >>> there's little call to use TSO EDIT. >> Isn't writing code macros a bit dated? In Vim I can record macros. >> >> >>> -- >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of >>> Tony Harminc [t...@harminc.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:00 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux >>> >>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:21, Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS >>>> work to do, I moved about half my time over to the dark side of AIX, >>>> Linux, and at least a couple of other Unixes that I can't remember - >>>> working with a bunch of folks who never touched a mainframe. I don't >>>> remember a single complaint about vi from them. I did ask why (in the >>>> world) they used it, and they said because it's always available by >>>> default - no install needed. >>> TSO "EDIT" is always available on z/OS... Doesn't even require a 3270! >>> >>> Tony H. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
