On Thursday, 05/03/2007 at 07:35 EST, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, no new pipelines stages. > > That's simply b.s....please see Rob van der Heij's "What's New with CMS > Pipelines" presentation from the zExpo last month. There are at least 5 > new Pipes stages that have been introduced and others are on the way.
You're right, Dave, I was using hyperbole to make a point (damn that Chuckie): there are few new stages. > No, no new PL/I compiler. They are also > > nothing to sneeze at considering those investments are being made at a > > time when z/VM's value to IBM is its ability to compete in the virtual > > server arena. > > As soon as the market signals its willingness to substitute "CMS > > application development" where it currently says "large scale > > virtualization", then you will get dizzy as we swing the development > > engine to focus on CMS. As long as it keeps selling new hardware. > > > But the market will not signal it's willingness until it sees that IBM > (the owner of CMS after all) is committed to the platform and that they > can be sure it will be around for awhile. Why invest time and money if > IBM is not willing to do so.....especially if the development community > knows that, e.g., there are versions of the new z/OS PL/I compilers that > are available for CMS, but IBM chooses not to release them for that > environment.....? Well, it's been nigh on 40 years that CMS has been around. Seems like a committment to me. CMS is here to stay. If all the people with z/OS get z/VM and [re]discover CMS, who knows what might happen? "Never say die!" Your post gives the impression that we have a new PL/I compiler sitting here on CMS that we don't want to ship. If such a thing exists, I've never seen it or heard of it. > And you'd be wrong, with all do respect...that is not the feed back I am > getting from my young, recent college graduate that I am teaching VM to > these days. Once they get past the 3270 hurdles, they think the CMS > environment is waaaay cool. And the way to get them past the 3270 > hurdles is to simply demo to them that the 3270 interface is *exactly* > like filling in a form on a web browser...you can only type in certain > areas, and nothing happens until you click on the 'submit" button...they > grok that right away. I said what *I'd* do, having spent nearly 30 years programming on keypunches, 2741s and 3270s. OTOH, if I'm going to be a sysprog, then I'd much rather do that on z (VM, please) with my trusty 3270. [Please forgive me. I'm not a fan of SCRIPT/VS, either. I prefer WYSIWYG document editors.] I think their grass is greener than mine.... The place CMS really shines is as a scripting tool. That was a major motivation for the ldap client programs and is what is driving the demand for snmp and ssh clients. Requirements that deal with this aspect of CMS have a much better chance, I think, of being satisfied. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
