For my two cents I have never used the quick guide. I read through it, but 
always open the book. Just a comfort factor I guess. I do agree though that 
seperating 1st and 2nd level instructions is a much better approach that 
skipping sections. Maybe a flowchart approach might be a good idea.  

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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid


I agree.....when I was working, I used the quick guides, knowing full well that 
there was a more detailed install doc available.....just in case.

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> From: Mike Hammock <mike.hamm...@mainline.com>
> Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:04 AM
> It sounds like this may come under
> the heading of "beating a dead horse",
> but that has never stopped VM Sysprogs before, so....
> I've used the Quick Guides for 5 or 6 zVM installs so far
> and I don't think
> I've ever used an IBM printed hard copy of them yet. 
> I've always printed a
> copy from the .PDF files.  It would be fine with me if
> IBM did not even
> supply a hard copy version.  That takes care of any
> expense issue with
> non-standard sized paper.  (I frequently print other
> materials on "legal"
> sized paper and have no problem with doing so.  I
> suspect other users feel
> the same way.)
> Of course, the paper and font size issues could be
> eliminated by breaking
> the DVD guide into two  versions: 1st level DVD and
> 2nd level DVD.  (The
> tape install is already in a separate quick guide). 
> Each of these could
> easily fit on a standard sheet using a larger font. 
> Yes, this would create
> another, new, document and it could be argued that this
> would increase the
> cost... but....   As mentioned before, don't
> print any of them.  Make them
> available electronically (only).  That also makes it
> possible to update
> them much easier if the need arises.  If you want to
> make sure that users
> are aware of the Quick Guides, put a one-sheet notice in
> with the other
> shipped materials providing the URLs for the downloadable
> guides.
> Mike
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> Sr. Technical Advisor
> IBM System Z  Solutions
> Mainline Information Systems
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> On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock
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> > I also vote for keeping the Quick
> Guides...   I think they are the best
> > thing since sliced bread!
> > The only suggestion I would make would be to
> 'simplify'; them by
> completely
> > separating the 1st level and 2nd level install
> instructions,.
> > I find that "skipping around" the "other" parts causes
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> I appreciate the sentiments.  We are not particularly
> happy about getting
> rid of them, but their time had come.  In order to
> keep it to "one page",
> the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece
> of paper
> because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing
> standards
> perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. 
> Non-standard = more
> costly to produce.
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> We will instead supply some sort of abbreviated
> installation/service
> procedure as part of the book.  It won't skip steps,
> but neither will it
> have the voluminous explanations of the primary text.
> 
> Alan Altmark
> z/VM Development
> IBM Endicott
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