Chris Mahan wrote:


On 6/29/07, *Doug Scott* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    Chris Mahan wrote:
    >
    >
    > On 6/29/07, *Shawn Walker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
    >
    >     On 29/06/07, John Sonnenschein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    >     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
    >     >
    >     > On 29-Jun-07, at 2:47 PM, Shawn Walker wrote:
    >     >
    >     > > On 29/06/07, Glynn Foster < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    >     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>
    wrote:
    >     > >>
    >     > >>
    >     > >> Doug Scott wrote:
    >     > >> > Are you excluding Java?
    >     > >>
    >     > >> Preferably - it's a pretty huge component, so if I could
    >     avoid its
    >     > >> dependency,
    >     > >> then I'd like to see it punted to the network repository.
    >     > >
    >     > > The jre would be included by default at a minimum since I
    >     think most
    >     > > people expect support for their browser.
    >     > >
    >     > > However, I wouldn't expect the jdk by default due to its
    size.
    >     > >
    >     >
    >     > FWIW, I don't expect or care about Java support in my
    browser. I've
    >     > not come across a java web applet in years. Flash, OTOH I
    encounter
    >     > constantly
    >
    >     Many bank / credit sites use it.
    >
    >
    > In Korea most banks require ActiveX. (there was an article about
    that
    > recently... ah, thanks google:
    >
    
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/24/south-korea-warns-against-willy-nilly-vista-upgrades/)
    >
    > If my bank used Java in its application, I would switch bank (not
    > kidding either).

    Actually I would prefer the security of Java over ActiveX (and flash)
    anyday.
    Flash (though probably never open source) is required. Though 90% of
    sites just use it for annoying ads or intro screens :(


Generally off -topic:
Granted about ActiveX (don't use that either by virtue of my using Firefox). On the Flash front, check out the Flashblock firefox extension. It blocks flash and just displays a small image and I can run the flash by clicking the icon.

I have used flashblock before, but some of the flash apps which I actually wanted to use would not work properly when it was installed.

Back to the Java front. I think that it would be a mistake not to include the jre in the base, though the jre size on Solaris does concern me.

Doug

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> du -hs /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0/jre
124M /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0/jre

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