On 02/07/07, Glenn Lagasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Shawn,
>
> * Shawn Walker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On 29/06/07, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Doug Scott wrote:
> > >> Back to the Java front. I think that it would be a mistake not to
> > >> include the jre in the base, though the jre size on Solaris does concern
> > >> me.
> > >>
> > >> Doug
> > >>
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> du -hs /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0/jre
> > >> 124M /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0/jre
> > >
> > >That's certainly a large compromise if we did want to include it.
> >
> > A good compromise would be a way to make it so the browser could tie
> > into the packaging system / repository to install missing plugins for
> > java, flash, etc. on demand.
> >
> > If it's integrated, that will be far less painful.
> >
> > The user should not have to search in package manager ala synaptic, etc.
>
> Why not?  They have to on any other opensource operating
> system/distribution.  Sun java is not installed by default on ubuntu,
> debian, fedora, rhel, or suse (I think, novell might ship it by
> default now).  The only distribution I know that does include it by
> default is slackware.  Windows doesn't (naturally) though MacOS X does
> include it (well at least some versions of Java).
>
> As long as we make it simple and intuitive to add via the network, I
> don't consider this a pain point.
>
> If we can work out how to include it by default given size constraints,
> then fine but I don't think we *have* to.

Unfortunately, I don't think that is a fair comparison. I believe Java
has not been shipped by default in many distributions because of past
distribution restrictions and Java's license. That has been what has
been said by distributors anyway...

I think many would agree that now Java is under a much
friendlier-to-open-source license that will see many distributions
start to include it in their base.

-- 
Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/

"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. " --Donald Knuth
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