2007/7/2, Gueven Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Linux and the GNU/Linux distros have their "culture", meaning their way of doing and developing things. Solaris and therefore OpenSolaris has its own "culture", and this culture is way more older than the Linux "culture". It would be "destroying" OpenSolaris if all the things in it, the way the packages are named, the way the filesystems are used, the way services/daemons are managed and so on, are "translated" to the way of Linux. I am very afraid that Indiana is in the end going this way and translating the things in (Open)Solaris to Linux.
If you are afraid of that, keep using Solaris Express and Solaris 10. What's the problem of trying to please other people out there? The inability to attract developers will kill OpenSolaris. About "the way of Linux", well, there is no Linux way to name packages, is just a common sense issue, the more descriptive their names are, the easy to know what the package is all about. Even the *BSD ports has a more meaninful way to descriptive. You shouldn't be afraid of getting the good things about Linux, if you think that there is no need to improve the usability of the package system. Then, stick on what you use now. For a Linux user it should be not a problem to look the things up in tha man
pages as man pages in the "real Unix" world are something similar to the info pages in the GNU/Linux world. I see a big change in the Linux world as more and more users want that Linux distros just present them the fact so that they don't have to think about and tinker with and can just use. This will in the end with full consequent lead to something like Windows.
Machines are all about that, don't make us think or spend time on anything else but the problem that we want to solve. I don't see any problem of people wanting their computers to do the work for them. Maybe you enjoy tweaking your kernel, some others, want to solve their problems as quickly as possible, and if we can make OpenSolaris more appealing for those people, what is the problem? As I said many times: Indiana should go the way of "teaching" and with this
way even bringing Linux users to the traditional way of "learning with man pages, tinkering and hacking with the system and mastering the system(as far as possible)" which was always the real reason why the systems of Linux uses were consistent, stable and secure.
So you can only make OpenSolaris appealing to those you teach first, which takes lots of efforts. When people who say they are Linux users and therefore "technically
experienced" cannot even look up and learn the (old) ways of Solaris then I really, really have very limited hope of the future.
I'm sorry about that. You ,Sir, just wanted a new Linux system and you didn't want to introduce
yourself into this real Unix operating system. So, you failed. It is something like a Java developer tries Common Lisp and bitches about CLOS (the object system of Common Lisp) because he doesn't understand it and don't want to understand.
If OpenSolaris is too hard to deal with for the people used to Linux, and we want to attract them, there is no other way to do so, but making OpenSolaris more comfortable for them. This doesn't mean just putting the GNU userland as default, this means, that when people types "top", or "ps aux", or "tar jxvf" they at least, would have the information enough, to get the same expected output as in Linux. On the other hand, we shouldn't be afraid of getting the advantages and improvements of the Linux platform, "just because it's the Linux way" is not a good reason to refuse to have a good package naming layout. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz
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