On 7/2/07, Gueven Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Linux and the GNU/Linux distros have their "culture", meaning their way of doing and developing things. Solaris and therefore OpenSolaris has its own "culture", and this culture is way more older than the Linux "culture".
Absolutely, I agree 100%. The problem is that the world has moved on. My first development experience outside "home computing" was PrimeOS, which had it's own culture older than Solaris yet has gone the way of the dodo:) Using Solaris for the last few weeks has felt like travelling back in time, it's old, and it creaks, getting new people interested in Solaris is a lost cause. OpenSolaris as an "updated" Solaris has a fighting chance. It's not all bad, in my three weeks I've found some great things in Solaris that I wish was in Linux, but the general experience is so frustrating I can't see many people used to a modern Linux distribution putting up with it.
It would be "destroying" OpenSolaris if all the things in it, the way the packages are named, the way the filesystems are used, the way services/daemons are managed and so on, are "translated" to the way of Linux.
They don't have to follow the Tao of Linux, but they need to be made sane:)
For a Linux user it should be not a problem to look the things up in tha man pages as man pages in the "real Unix" world are something similar to the info pages in the GNU/Linux world. I see a big change in the Linux world as more and more users want that Linux distros just present them the fact so that they don't have to think about and tinker with and can just use. This will in the end with full consequent lead to something like Windows.
There is certainly a push to make Linux installs easier to use, and that's no bad thing, but then there are distributions like Gentoo where if you want you can start an install from scratch by manually bootstrapping it - I think you are confusing Linux and Windows:)
As I said many times: Indiana should go the way of "teaching" and with this way even bringing Linux users to the traditional way of "learning with man pages, tinkering and hacking with the system and mastering the system(as far as possible)" which was always the real reason why the systems of Linux uses were consistent, stable and secure.
Many Linux users still do that. Kind of an odd thing for a Slackware user to write...
When people who say they are Linux users and therefore "technically experienced" cannot even look up and learn the (old) ways of Solaris then I really, really have very limited hope of the future.
The problem is that they would not feel that they would be spending the time in learning something useful. Thats the killer, Solaris feels so antiquated that when using it that it doesn't feel I'm investing time spent learning it wisely. If I was going to study a new foreign language I'd study Chinese rather than German, that doesn't mean that German isn't a perfect valid language, or that I think people who speak German are morons, just that I personally think that in the modern world Chinese would be more useful to me:)
You ,Sir, just wanted a new Linux system and you didn't want to introduce yourself into this real Unix operating system. So, you failed.
No, I just wanted an OS to run ZFS on company servers, and the issues I had with Solaris means that Sun has failed. But then Sun obviously knows that hence OpenSolaris. _______________________________________________ indiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss
