This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles
http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! > Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for *Cucumis sativus* var. *hardwickii*. > > After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's input ... > ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival (ritual > common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: > > कारिंट karinta > कारीट karita > कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter fruit) > चिराटे chiraate > > - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): > ... > http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html > > - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php > > - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm > > > > > Narrowing down to following in this order: > - *Cucumis trigonus* var. *pubescens* (syn. *C. pseudo-colocynthis* var. * > pubescens*) > - *Cucumis sativus* var. *hardwickii* (syn: *C. hardwickii* ) > - *Citrullus colocynthis* ... ruling out > > > > Tending to get convinced with *Cucumis trigonus* (var. *pubescens*) : > > - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. Nadkarni, > A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading > ... > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false > > > More comments, please. > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet satisfied. We >> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for what >> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit that I >> am a lay person and may be wrong. >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. >> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with what is >> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis trigonis now >> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A fruit >> which >> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon in color, >> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS EDIBLE AND >> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. melo >> would >> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. >> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ >> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 >> > >> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, bitter and >> not >> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. sativus >> var. >> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild cucumber, >> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. sativus. >> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on cucurbits. >> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and again. >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for Zeneria >> >> scabra. >> >> >> >> >> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 >> >> Regards >> >> Yazdy. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > hello everyone, >> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is very >> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our home... >> >> > >> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of >> discussion >> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the animals enjoy >> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried cattle >> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> Yazdy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Cucumis sativus >> >> >> >> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber >> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated >> >> >> >> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • Assamese: >> তিয়ঁহ >> >> >> > tiyoh, >> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • Hindi: >> खीरा >> >> >> > khira >> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • Konkani: >> तौशे >> >> >> > taushe • >> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: থবী >> thabi • >> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी tavashi • >> >> >> > Nepalese: >> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि khir-kakri • >> >> >> > Oriya: >> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • Punjabi: >> ਖੀਰਾ >> >> >> > khira >> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी charbati, >> >> >> > ईर्वारुः >> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् trapusam >> • >> >> >> > Sindhi: >> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస dosa, కీర >> kira • >> >> >> > Urdu: >> >> >> > کهيرا khira >> >> >> >> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super eight >> >> >> > temples of >> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) >> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... resolved >> by >> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. >> >> >> > ... more views at >> >> >> > >> http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
