Gurcharan ji, these are not planted for sure... however these are found growing along roadsides and forest trails (may be found to a certain depth in forests). About inedibility, will get to know from the local folks.
Many thanks for resolving the ID. Regards. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks Yazdi ji and Dinesh ji > Having agreed on C. sativus, you have now to confirm two things: First is > it wild? and secondly is it bitter and inedible? If these two things are > correct, it would be C. sativus var. hardwickii. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >> Many thanks for the definition. According to the definition, it does >> appear to be C Sativus. Attaching a picture of sliced fruit. The seeds too >> look like cucumber. My only doubt was that in none of the pictures did we >> find this fruit. However, if we do go by the definition, it is C. Sativus. >> Regards >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yazdi ji >>> >>> May be these can help you >>> >>> Eflora of Pakistan >>> >>> 2 >>> (1)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-1> >>> Leaf >>> lobes acute. Ovary hispidulous. Fruit elongated or cylindric, rarely ovoid >>> 1 Cucumis >>> sativus<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200022616>+Leaf >>> lobes not acute. Ovary hairy or densely white woolly. Fruit polymorphic, >>> mostly rounded, ovoid or ellipsoid >>> (3)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-3> >>> 3 >>> (2)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-2> >>> Leaves >>> usually deeply 5(-7)-lobed, scabrid. Corolla up to 10 mm long. Fruit oblong >>> or obscurely trigonus, upto 7 cm long. Plants wild 3 Cucumis melo >>> subsp. agrestis var. >>> agr<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077277> >>> >>> >>> Hortus Third >>> >>> C. sativus: Rough-hary. Leaves triangular-ovate, pointed, often somewhat >>> 3-lobed, flowers short stalked and clustered in axils on main stem. Fruit >>> prickly when young. >>> >>> C. melo: Softly hairy. Leaves round-ovate to nearly reniform, obtuse. >>> Flower long stalked. Young fruit pubescent. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh ji, >>>> Thank you for being so patient with this lay person. I will go through >>>> the links copied by you. I do not recollect having stated that it is >>>> melon(c melo). The only reason I have been maintaining that it is not >>>> c sativus is because , I see no picture that is matching the pictures >>>> attached by me. I do not know the definition of C sativus. Shall try >>>> to go through and find out the definition and revert back. >>>> Thank you once again for being so patient. >>>> Regards >>>> Yazdy >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Yazdy ji >>>> > Just try to compare and decide does this plant resemble more with >>>> melon (C. >>>> > melo) or cucumber (C. sativus)? You should get the answer. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a site >>>> >> but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had >>>> >> uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the >>>> >> wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. >>>> >> I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I >>>> >> say cucurbit (please correct me). >>>> >> Regards >>>> >> Yazdy. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one >>>> uploaded >>>> >> > by >>>> >> > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji >>>> >> > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> > Retired Associate Professor >>>> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! >>>> >> >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's >>>> input ... >>>> >> >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival >>>> >> >> (ritual >>>> >> >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> कारिंट karinta >>>> >> >> कारीट karita >>>> >> >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter >>>> fruit) >>>> >> >> चिराटे chiraate >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): >>>> >> >> ... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >>>> >> >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >>>> >> >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Narrowing down to following in this order: >>>> >> >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis var. >>>> >> >> pubescens) >>>> >> >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) >>>> >> >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. >>>> >> >> Nadkarni, >>>> >> >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading >>>> >> >> ... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> More comments, please. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Regards. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >>>> >> >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet >>>> satisfied. We >>>> >> >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for >>>> what >>>> >> >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit >>>> that I >>>> >> >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. >>>> >> >>> Regards >>>> >> >>> Yazdy. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>> >> >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. >>>> >> >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with >>>> what is >>>> >> >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis >>>> trigonis now >>>> >> >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A >>>> fruit >>>> >> >>> > which >>>> >> >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon >>>> in >>>> >> >>> > color, >>>> >> >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS >>>> EDIBLE >>>> >> >>> > AND >>>> >> >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. >>>> melo >>>> >> >>> > would >>>> >> >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. >>>> >> >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ >>>> >> >>> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, >>>> bitter >>>> >> >>> > and >>>> >> >>> > not >>>> >> >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. >>>> sativus >>>> >> >>> > var. >>>> >> >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild >>>> >> >>> > cucumber, >>>> >> >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. >>>> sativus. >>>> >> >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on >>>> cucurbits. >>>> >> >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and >>>> >> >>> > again. >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > -- >>>> >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>> >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for >>>> Zeneria >>>> >> >>> >> scabra. >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 >>>> >> >>> >> Regards >>>> >> >>> >> Yazdy. >>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni >>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >> > hello everyone, >>>> >> >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is >>>> very >>>> >> >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our >>>> home... >>>> >> >>> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of >>>> >> >>> >> >> discussion >>>> >> >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the >>>> animals >>>> >> >>> >> >> enjoy >>>> >> >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried >>>> >> >>> >> >> cattle >>>> >> >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. >>>> >> >>> >> >> Regards >>>> >> >>> >> >> Yazdy. >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>> >> >>> >> >> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber >>>> >> >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • >>>> Assamese: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ >>>> >> >>> >> >> > tiyoh, >>>> >> >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hindi: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > खीरा >>>> >> >>> >> >> > khira >>>> >> >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • >>>> Konkani: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > तौशे >>>> >> >>> >> >> > taushe • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: >>>> থবী >>>> >> >>> >> >> > thabi • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी >>>> >> >>> >> >> > tavashi • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Nepalese: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि >>>> khir-kakri >>>> >> >>> >> >> > • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Oriya: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Punjabi: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ >>>> >> >>> >> >> > khira >>>> >> >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी >>>> >> >>> >> >> > charbati, >>>> >> >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः >>>> >> >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् >>>> >> >>> >> >> > trapusam >>>> >> >>> >> >> > • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Sindhi: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస >>>> dosa, కీర >>>> >> >>> >> >> > kira • >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Urdu: >>>> >> >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super >>>> >> >>> >> >> > eight >>>> >> >>> >> >> > temples of >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) >>>> >> >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... >>>> >> >>> >> >> > resolved >>>> >> >>> >> >> > by >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. >>>> >> >>> >> >> > ... more views at >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >>> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > >
