However, it is used in ayurveda. Regards Yazdy. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote:
> Gurcharan ji, these are not planted for sure... however these are found > growing along roadsides and forest trails (may be found to a certain depth > in forests). > About inedibility, will get to know from the local folks. > > Many thanks for resolving the ID. > Regards. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks Yazdi ji and Dinesh ji >> Having agreed on C. sativus, you have now to confirm two things: First is >> it wild? and secondly is it bitter and inedible? If these two things are >> correct, it would be C. sativus var. hardwickii. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >>> Many thanks for the definition. According to the definition, it does >>> appear to be C Sativus. Attaching a picture of sliced fruit. The seeds too >>> look like cucumber. My only doubt was that in none of the pictures did we >>> find this fruit. However, if we do go by the definition, it is C. Sativus. >>> Regards >>> Regards >>> Yazdy. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Yazdi ji >>>> >>>> May be these can help you >>>> >>>> Eflora of Pakistan >>>> >>>> 2 >>>> (1)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-1> >>>> Leaf >>>> lobes acute. Ovary hispidulous. Fruit elongated or cylindric, rarely ovoid >>>> 1 Cucumis >>>> sativus<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200022616>+Leaf >>>> lobes not acute. Ovary hairy or densely white woolly. Fruit polymorphic, >>>> mostly rounded, ovoid or ellipsoid >>>> (3)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-3> >>>> 3 >>>> (2)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-2> >>>> Leaves >>>> usually deeply 5(-7)-lobed, scabrid. Corolla up to 10 mm long. Fruit oblong >>>> or obscurely trigonus, upto 7 cm long. Plants wild 3 Cucumis melo >>>> subsp. agrestis var. >>>> agr<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077277> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hortus Third >>>> >>>> C. sativus: Rough-hary. Leaves triangular-ovate, pointed, often somewhat >>>> 3-lobed, flowers short stalked and clustered in axils on main stem. Fruit >>>> prickly when young. >>>> >>>> C. melo: Softly hairy. Leaves round-ovate to nearly reniform, obtuse. >>>> Flower long stalked. Young fruit pubescent. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh ji, >>>>> Thank you for being so patient with this lay person. I will go through >>>>> the links copied by you. I do not recollect having stated that it is >>>>> melon(c melo). The only reason I have been maintaining that it is not >>>>> c sativus is because , I see no picture that is matching the pictures >>>>> attached by me. I do not know the definition of C sativus. Shall try >>>>> to go through and find out the definition and revert back. >>>>> Thank you once again for being so patient. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Yazdy >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Yazdy ji >>>>> > Just try to compare and decide does this plant resemble more with >>>>> melon (C. >>>>> > melo) or cucumber (C. sativus)? You should get the answer. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a >>>>> site >>>>> >> but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had >>>>> >> uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the >>>>> >> wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. >>>>> >> I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I >>>>> >> say cucurbit (please correct me). >>>>> >> Regards >>>>> >> Yazdy. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one >>>>> uploaded >>>>> >> > by >>>>> >> > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji >>>>> >> > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! >>>>> >> >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's >>>>> input ... >>>>> >> >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival >>>>> >> >> (ritual >>>>> >> >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> कारिंट karinta >>>>> >> >> कारीट karita >>>>> >> >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter >>>>> fruit) >>>>> >> >> चिराटे chiraate >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): >>>>> >> >> ... >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >>>>> >> >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >>>>> >> >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Narrowing down to following in this order: >>>>> >> >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis >>>>> var. >>>>> >> >> pubescens) >>>>> >> >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) >>>>> >> >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. >>>>> >> >> Nadkarni, >>>>> >> >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading >>>>> >> >> ... >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> More comments, please. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Regards. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >>>>> >> >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet >>>>> satisfied. We >>>>> >> >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for >>>>> what >>>>> >> >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit >>>>> that I >>>>> >> >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. >>>>> >> >>> Regards >>>>> >> >>> Yazdy. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. >>>>> >> >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with >>>>> what is >>>>> >> >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis >>>>> trigonis now >>>>> >> >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A >>>>> fruit >>>>> >> >>> > which >>>>> >> >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon >>>>> in >>>>> >> >>> > color, >>>>> >> >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS >>>>> EDIBLE >>>>> >> >>> > AND >>>>> >> >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. >>>>> melo >>>>> >> >>> > would >>>>> >> >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. >>>>> >> >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, >>>>> bitter >>>>> >> >>> > and >>>>> >> >>> > not >>>>> >> >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. >>>>> sativus >>>>> >> >>> > var. >>>>> >> >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild >>>>> >> >>> > cucumber, >>>>> >> >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. >>>>> sativus. >>>>> >> >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on >>>>> cucurbits. >>>>> >> >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and >>>>> >> >>> > again. >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > -- >>>>> >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>> >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for >>>>> Zeneria >>>>> >> >>> >> scabra. >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 >>>>> >> >>> >> Regards >>>>> >> >>> >> Yazdy. >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni >>>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> > hello everyone, >>>>> >> >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is >>>>> very >>>>> >> >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our >>>>> home... >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of >>>>> >> >>> >> >> discussion >>>>> >> >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the >>>>> animals >>>>> >> >>> >> >> enjoy >>>>> >> >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cattle >>>>> >> >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. >>>>> >> >>> >> >> Regards >>>>> >> >>> >> >> Yazdy. >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>>> >> >>> >> >> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • >>>>> Assamese: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > tiyoh, >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi >>>>> • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Hindi: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > खीरा >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > khira >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • >>>>> Konkani: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > तौशे >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > taushe • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • >>>>> Manipuri: থবী >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > thabi • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > tavashi • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Nepalese: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि >>>>> khir-kakri >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Oriya: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Punjabi: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > khira >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > charbati, >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > trapusam >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Sindhi: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస >>>>> dosa, కీర >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > kira • >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Urdu: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of >>>>> super >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > eight >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > temples of >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > resolved >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > by >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > ... more views at >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > > > >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >
