Yazdy ji Just try to compare and decide does this plant resemble more with melon (C. melo) or cucumber (C. sativus)? You should get the answer.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a site > but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had > uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the > wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. > I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I > say cucurbit (please correct me). > Regards > Yazdy. > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one uploaded > by > > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji > > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles > > > http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! > >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. > >> > >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's input ... > >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival > (ritual > >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: > >> > >> कारिंट karinta > >> कारीट karita > >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter fruit) > >> चिराटे chiraate > >> > >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): > >> ... > >> > http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html > >> > >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php > >> > >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Narrowing down to following in this order: > >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis var. > >> pubescens) > >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) > >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out > >> > >> > >> > >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : > >> > >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. > Nadkarni, > >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading > >> ... > >> > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false > >> > >> > >> More comments, please. > >> > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, > >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet satisfied. We > >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for what > >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit that I > >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. > >>> Regards > >>> Yazdy. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. > >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with what is > >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis trigonis now > >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A fruit > >>> > which > >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon in > >>> > color, > >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS EDIBLE > AND > >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. melo > >>> > would > >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. > >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ > >>> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 > >>> > > >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, bitter > and > >>> > not > >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. sativus > >>> > var. > >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild > cucumber, > >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. sativus. > >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on cucurbits. > >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and again. > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> > Retired Associate Professor > >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for Zeneria > >>> >> scabra. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 > >>> >> Regards > >>> >> Yazdy. > >>> >> > >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni > >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> > hello everyone, > >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is very > >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our home... > >>> >> > > >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of > >>> >> >> discussion > >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the animals > enjoy > >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried cattle > >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. > >>> >> >> Regards > >>> >> >> Yazdy. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke > >>> >> >> <[email protected]> > >>> >> >> wrote: > >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber > >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • Assamese: > >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ > >>> >> >> > tiyoh, > >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • > Hindi: > >>> >> >> > खीरा > >>> >> >> > khira > >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • Konkani: > >>> >> >> > तौशे > >>> >> >> > taushe • > >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: থবী > >>> >> >> > thabi • > >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी tavashi > • > >>> >> >> > Nepalese: > >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि khir-kakri > • > >>> >> >> > Oriya: > >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • > Punjabi: > >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ > >>> >> >> > khira > >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी charbati, > >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः > >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् > trapusam > >>> >> >> > • > >>> >> >> > Sindhi: > >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస dosa, కీర > >>> >> >> > kira • > >>> >> >> > Urdu: > >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super eight > >>> >> >> > temples of > >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) > >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... > resolved > >>> >> >> > by > >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. > >>> >> >> > ... more views at > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
