In scientific terms you were actually dispersing its seeds, which is the usual way of doing it, otherwise in nature, it get stuck to other animals or even human beings and get dispersed. Pankaj
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:02 PM, mani nair <[email protected]> wrote: > Satish ji, I remember during our school days we used to throw the seed pods > on the back of our friends and enjoy the sight. > > Thanks for sharing. > Regards, > > Mani. > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Can anyone please get the protologue of Xanthium indicum from Hortus >> Bengalensis? >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> > yes this what we find in Maharashtra and adjoining area.. >> > regards >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Please find the lectotype of Xanthium strumarium attached for >> >> reference. HS can you please check if this is the same which grows in >> >> Maharastra. >> >> We need to check Xanthium indicum too. >> >> Regards >> >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >> > Date: Oct 20, 6:12 pm >> >> > Subject: Xanthium indicum >> >> > To: efloraofindia >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Yes that must be true >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> > Retired Associate Professor >> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Sirji i guess people called the same species as X. indicum instead >> >> >> of >> >> >> X. >> >> >> strumarium before Clarke cleared the things. >> >> > >> >> >> regards, >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> Yes H S >> >> >>> X. strumarium L. and X. indicum Roxb. are same species as per most >> >> >>> databases and publication, but looking at the fact that X. indicum >> >> >>> was >> >> >>> described from India nearly more than 200 years and X. strumarium >> >> >>> described >> >> >>> in Clarke Compositae Indicae nearly 150 years ago, it may not be >> >> >>> appropriate >> >> >>> to call is an introduced weed at this stage. >> >> >>> But there is another species X. spinosus, which has been >> >> >>> recently >> >> >>> introduced in Kashmir, and was uploaded by me on Flowers of India. >> >> > >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>> Retired Associate Professor >> >> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>> Dear all, >> >> >>>> Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium >> >> >>>> strumarium L. >> >> >>>> which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced >> >> >>>> species. >> >> >>>> Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i >> >> >>>> guess, >> >> >>>> if its >> >> >>>> a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will >> >> >>>> be >> >> >>>> great if >> >> >>>> someone upload both species photographs on the site.. >> >> > >> >> >>>> regards, >> >> > >> >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> >> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>> Gurucharanji::)... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get >> >> >>>>> mad... >> >> >>>>> :), >> >> > >> >> >>>>> there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody >> >> >>>>> who >> >> >>>>> gets >> >> >>>>> fixed ideas and wont budge''' >> >> > >> >> >>>>> "you" is not USHA DI >> >> > >> >> >>>>> I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> except in a few cases: >> >> >>>>> like: >> >> >>>>> a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little bit >> >> >>>>> pregnant... >> >> >>>>> secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes ... >> >> >>>>> its no >> >> >>>>> longer benign... >> >> >>>>> I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a >> >> >>>>> few >> >> >>>>> cancer cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... and >> >> >>>>> final >> >> >>>>> diagnosis : Benign lymph nodes... >> >> >>>>> or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign >> >> >>>>> polyp... >> >> >>>>> stupid >> >> > >> >> >>>>> and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like that >> >> >>>>> ( >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >>>>> he got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind about >> >> >>>>> fooling the >> >> >>>>> patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... way >> >> >>>>> back in >> >> >>>>> 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including >> >> >>>>> yours >> >> >>>>> truly... open mind is FUN.... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues >> >> >>>>> provided >> >> >>>>> by >> >> >>>>> the most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine seminars >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >>>>> groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their >> >> >>>>> minds too >> >> >>>>> rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey zones... >> >> >>>>> but as >> >> >>>>> nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... >> >> >>>>> open >> >> >>>>> mind >> >> >>>>> area ... >> >> >>>>> ... >> >> > >> >> >>>>> BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be pushed >> >> >>>>> around >> >> >>>>> or put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance etc >> >> >>>>> etc... but >> >> >>>>> that's another story.. >> >> > >> >> >>>>> Usha di >> >> >>>>> ========== >> >> > >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>> Ushadi >> >> >>>>>> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? >> >> >>>>>> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have fixed >> >> >>>>>> ideas. >> >> >>>>>> We believe in open exchange of information. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >> >> >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < >> >> >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of >> >> >>>>>>> putting >> >> >>>>>>> ideas... >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> thank you folks >> >> >>>>>>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant >> >> >>>>>>> for >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> usha di >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> ==== >> >> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> > Yes Pankaj ji >> >> >>>>>>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. >> >> >>>>>>> > Thanks for information >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > -- >> >> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >> >> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar < >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: 479 >> >> >>>>>>> > > (1823). >> >> >>>>>>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. >> >> >>>>>>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium >> >> >>>>>>> > > is >> >> >>>>>>> resolved, >> >> >>>>>>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). >> >> >>>>>>> > > Pankaj >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected]> >> >> >>>>>>> > > wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Pankaj ji >> >> >>>>>>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any >> >> >>>>>>> > > > author) >> >> >>>>>>> > > > is >> >> >>>>>>> accepted >> >> >>>>>>> > > name >> >> >>>>>>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as >> >> >>>>>>> > > > synonym I >> >> >>>>>>> am tired >> >> >>>>>>> > > of >> >> >>>>>>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > -- >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor >> >> >>>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >>>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> which >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> may >> >> >>>>>>> actually >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> be wrong. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> retention >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> of >> >> >>>>>>> those >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Gen. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Pl.: >> >> >>>>>>> 64. 4 >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, Fam. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> des >> >> >>>>>>> plantes >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium indicum >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> may >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> be >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> atleast >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> according to >> >> >>>>>>> The >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> species >> >> >>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> synonymous >> >> >>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> WHEREAS >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an unresolved >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> name. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Regards >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Pankaj >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > out >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > that. >> >> >>>>>>> Even The >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > plant >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more deeper >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > in >> >> >>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>> > > context. >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Satish ji >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > understand >> >> >>>>>>> how >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Xanthium >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > indicum, >> >> >>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > accepted name >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > -- >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Delhi-110007 >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> roadside >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> last >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> few >> >> >>>>>>> days >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Large herb Annual about 1m in height. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Stem branches rough hairy. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Leaves serrate alternate 5-8 cm ovate acute >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> triangular >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> or >> >> >>>>>>> lobed' >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> appressed >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> hairy. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Flower heads 0.4-0.8mm across. Green when young in >> >> >>>>>>> terminal and >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> axillary >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> spikes.Barren heads crowded at apex. Fertile heads >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> fewer. >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Fruits 2cm long with 2 erect mucronate beaks >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> covered >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> with >> >> >>>>>>> hooked >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> prickles. >> >> > >> >> > ... >> >> > >> >> > read more » >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ********************************************************************** >> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >> >> >> >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> >> Conservation Officer >> >> >> >> Office: >> >> Flora Conservation Department >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> >> >> Residence: >> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> >> >> email: [email protected] >> >> [email protected] >> >> [email protected] >> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > - H.S. >> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >> > of >> > stone >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ********************************************************************** >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >> Conservation Officer >> >> Office: >> Flora Conservation Department >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> Residence: >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> email: [email protected] >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) > > -- ********************************************************************** "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Conservation Officer Office: Flora Conservation Department Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. Residence: 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. email: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
