yes this what we find in Maharashtra and adjoining area.. regards
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > Please find the lectotype of Xanthium strumarium attached for > reference. HS can you please check if this is the same which grows in > Maharastra. > We need to check Xanthium indicum too. > Regards > Pankaj > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > Date: Oct 20, 6:12 pm > > Subject: Xanthium indicum > > To: efloraofindia > > > > > > Yes that must be true > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sirji i guess people called the same species as X. indicum instead of X. > >> strumarium before Clarke cleared the things. > > > >> regards, > > > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >>> Yes H S > >>> X. strumarium L. and X. indicum Roxb. are same species as per most > >>> databases and publication, but looking at the fact that X. indicum was > >>> described from India nearly more than 200 years and X. strumarium > described > >>> in Clarke Compositae Indicae nearly 150 years ago, it may not be > appropriate > >>> to call is an introduced weed at this stage. > >>> But there is another species X. spinosus, which has been recently > >>> introduced in Kashmir, and was uploaded by me on Flowers of India. > > > >>> -- > >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> Retired Associate Professor > >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium strumarium > L. > >>>> which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced species. > >>>> Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i guess, > if its > >>>> a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will be > great if > >>>> someone upload both species photographs on the site.. > > > >>>> regards, > > > >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> Gurucharanji::)... > > > >>>>> no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get mad... > :), > > > >>>>> there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... > > > >>>>> by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody who > gets > >>>>> fixed ideas and wont budge''' > > > >>>>> "you" is not USHA DI > > > >>>>> I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... > > > >>>>> except in a few cases: > >>>>> like: > >>>>> a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little bit > >>>>> pregnant... > >>>>> secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes ... its > no > >>>>> longer benign... > >>>>> I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a few > >>>>> cancer cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... and > final > >>>>> diagnosis : Benign lymph nodes... > >>>>> or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign > polyp... > >>>>> stupid > > > >>>>> and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like that ( > and > >>>>> he got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind about > fooling the > >>>>> patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... > > > >>>>> OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... > > > >>>>> in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... way back > in > >>>>> 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including yours > >>>>> truly... open mind is FUN.... > > > >>>>> and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues provided > by > >>>>> the most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine seminars and > >>>>> groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their minds > too > >>>>> rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey zones... but > as > >>>>> nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... open > mind > >>>>> area ... > >>>>> ... > > > >>>>> BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be pushed > around > >>>>> or put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance etc > etc... but > >>>>> that's another story.. > > > >>>>> Usha di > >>>>> ========== > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>> Ushadi > >>>>>> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? > >>>>>> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have fixed > ideas. > >>>>>> We believe in open exchange of information. > > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of putting > >>>>>>> ideas... > > > >>>>>>> thank you folks > >>>>>>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... > > > >>>>>>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant for > the > >>>>>>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... > > > >>>>>>> usha di > > > >>>>>>> ==== > >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > Yes Pankaj ji > >>>>>>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. > >>>>>>> > Thanks for information > > > >>>>>>> > -- > >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar < > >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: 479 > (1823). > >>>>>>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. > >>>>>>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium is > >>>>>>> resolved, > >>>>>>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). > >>>>>>> > > Pankaj > > > >>>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < > >>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> > > wrote: > >>>>>>> > > > Pankaj ji > >>>>>>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any author) is > >>>>>>> accepted > >>>>>>> > > name > >>>>>>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as > synonym I > >>>>>>> am tired > >>>>>>> > > of > >>>>>>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. > > > >>>>>>> > > > -- > >>>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names which > may > >>>>>>> actually > >>>>>>> > > >> be wrong. > >>>>>>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at retention > of > >>>>>>> those > >>>>>>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". > >>>>>>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., Gen. > Pl.: > >>>>>>> 64. 4 > >>>>>>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, Fam. des > >>>>>>> plantes > >>>>>>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. > > > >>>>>>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium indicum may > be > >>>>>>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as > atleast > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. > > > >>>>>>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved according > to > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct species > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but synonymous > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. > > > >>>>>>> > > >> WHEREAS > > > >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an unresolved > name. > > > >>>>>>> > > >> Regards > >>>>>>> > > >> Pankaj > > > >>>>>>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing out > that. > >>>>>>> Even The > >>>>>>> > > >> > plant > >>>>>>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more deeper in > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> > > context. > > > >>>>>>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Satish ji > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to > understand > >>>>>>> how > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Xanthium > >>>>>>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. > indicum, > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> > > >> > > accepted name > > > >>>>>>> > > >> > > -- > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke > >>>>>>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on > roadside > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city last > few > >>>>>>> days > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Large herb Annual about 1m in height. > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Stem branches rough hairy. > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Leaves serrate alternate 5-8 cm ovate acute triangular > or > >>>>>>> lobed' > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> appressed > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> hairy. > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Flower heads 0.4-0.8mm across. Green when young in > >>>>>>> terminal and > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> axillary > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> spikes.Barren heads crowded at apex. Fertile heads > fewer. > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Fruits 2cm long with 2 erect mucronate beaks covered > with > >>>>>>> hooked > >>>>>>> > > >> > >> prickles. > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > +852 9436 6251 (mobile) > -- - H.S. 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