In technical terms exozoochory -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > In scientific terms you were actually dispersing its seeds, which is > the usual way of doing it, otherwise in nature, it get stuck to other > animals or even human beings and get dispersed. > Pankaj > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:02 PM, mani nair <[email protected]> wrote: > > Satish ji, I remember during our school days we used to throw the seed > pods > > on the back of our friends and enjoy the sight. > > > > Thanks for sharing. > > Regards, > > > > Mani. > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Can anyone please get the protologue of Xanthium indicum from Hortus > >> Bengalensis? > >> Pankaj > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > yes this what we find in Maharashtra and adjoining area.. > >> > regards > >> > > >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Please find the lectotype of Xanthium strumarium attached for > >> >> reference. HS can you please check if this is the same which grows in > >> >> Maharastra. > >> >> We need to check Xanthium indicum too. > >> >> Regards > >> >> Pankaj > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> > From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >> >> > Date: Oct 20, 6:12 pm > >> >> > Subject: Xanthium indicum > >> >> > To: efloraofindia > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Yes that must be true > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Sirji i guess people called the same species as X. indicum instead > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> X. > >> >> >> strumarium before Clarke cleared the things. > >> >> > > >> >> >> regards, > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>> Yes H S > >> >> >>> X. strumarium L. and X. indicum Roxb. are same species as per > most > >> >> >>> databases and publication, but looking at the fact that X. > indicum > >> >> >>> was > >> >> >>> described from India nearly more than 200 years and X. strumarium > >> >> >>> described > >> >> >>> in Clarke Compositae Indicae nearly 150 years ago, it may not be > >> >> >>> appropriate > >> >> >>> to call is an introduced weed at this stage. > >> >> >>> But there is another species X. spinosus, which has been > >> >> >>> recently > >> >> >>> introduced in Kashmir, and was uploaded by me on Flowers of > India. > >> >> > > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>> Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM, H S <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>> Dear all, > >> >> >>>> Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium > >> >> >>>> strumarium L. > >> >> >>>> which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced > >> >> >>>> species. > >> >> >>>> Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i > >> >> >>>> guess, > >> >> >>>> if its > >> >> >>>> a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will > >> >> >>>> be > >> >> >>>> great if > >> >> >>>> someone upload both species photographs on the site.. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>> regards, > >> >> > > >> >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini < > >> >> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> Gurucharanji::)... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get > >> >> >>>>> mad... > >> >> >>>>> :), > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody > >> >> >>>>> who > >> >> >>>>> gets > >> >> >>>>> fixed ideas and wont budge''' > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> "you" is not USHA DI > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> except in a few cases: > >> >> >>>>> like: > >> >> >>>>> a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little > bit > >> >> >>>>> pregnant... > >> >> >>>>> secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes > ... > >> >> >>>>> its no > >> >> >>>>> longer benign... > >> >> >>>>> I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a > >> >> >>>>> few > >> >> >>>>> cancer cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... > and > >> >> >>>>> final > >> >> >>>>> diagnosis : Benign lymph nodes... > >> >> >>>>> or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign > >> >> >>>>> polyp... > >> >> >>>>> stupid > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like > that > >> >> >>>>> ( > >> >> >>>>> and > >> >> >>>>> he got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind > about > >> >> >>>>> fooling the > >> >> >>>>> patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... > way > >> >> >>>>> back in > >> >> >>>>> 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including > >> >> >>>>> yours > >> >> >>>>> truly... open mind is FUN.... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues > >> >> >>>>> provided > >> >> >>>>> by > >> >> >>>>> the most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine > seminars > >> >> >>>>> and > >> >> >>>>> groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their > >> >> >>>>> minds too > >> >> >>>>> rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey > zones... > >> >> >>>>> but as > >> >> >>>>> nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... > >> >> >>>>> open > >> >> >>>>> mind > >> >> >>>>> area ... > >> >> >>>>> ... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be > pushed > >> >> >>>>> around > >> >> >>>>> or put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance > etc > >> >> >>>>> etc... but > >> >> >>>>> that's another story.. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> Usha di > >> >> >>>>> ========== > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>> Ushadi > >> >> >>>>>> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? > >> >> >>>>>> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have > fixed > >> >> >>>>>> ideas. > >> >> >>>>>> We believe in open exchange of information. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < > >> >> >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of > >> >> >>>>>>> putting > >> >> >>>>>>> ideas... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> thank you folks > >> >> >>>>>>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant > >> >> >>>>>>> for > >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> usha di > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> ==== > >> >> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> > Yes Pankaj ji > >> >> >>>>>>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. > >> >> >>>>>>> > Thanks for information > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > -- > >> >> >>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar < > >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: > 479 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > (1823). > >> >> >>>>>>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium > >> >> >>>>>>> > > is > >> >> >>>>>>> resolved, > >> >> >>>>>>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). > >> >> >>>>>>> > > Pankaj > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < > >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected]> > >> >> >>>>>>> > > wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Pankaj ji > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > author) > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > is > >> >> >>>>>>> accepted > >> >> >>>>>>> > > name > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > synonym I > >> >> >>>>>>> am tired > >> >> >>>>>>> > > of > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > -- > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < > >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> which > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> may > >> >> >>>>>>> actually > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> be wrong. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> retention > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> of > >> >> >>>>>>> those > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Gen. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Pl.: > >> >> >>>>>>> 64. 4 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, > Fam. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> des > >> >> >>>>>>> plantes > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium > indicum > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> may > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> be > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> atleast > >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> according to > >> >> >>>>>>> The > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> species > >> >> >>>>>>> with > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> synonymous > >> >> >>>>>>> with > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> WHEREAS > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an > unresolved > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> name. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Regards > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> Pankaj > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke < > [email protected]> > >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > out > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > that. > >> >> >>>>>>> Even The > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > plant > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more > deeper > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > in > >> >> >>>>>>> that > >> >> >>>>>>> > > context. > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Satish ji > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > understand > >> >> >>>>>>> how > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Xanthium > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > indicum, > >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > accepted name > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > -- > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Delhi-110007 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> roadside > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> last > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> few > >> >> >>>>>>> days > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Large herb Annual about 1m in height. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Stem branches rough hairy. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Leaves serrate alternate 5-8 cm ovate acute > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> triangular > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> or > >> >> >>>>>>> lobed' > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> appressed > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> hairy. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Flower heads 0.4-0.8mm across. Green when young > in > >> >> >>>>>>> terminal and > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> axillary > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> spikes.Barren heads crowded at apex. Fertile > heads > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> fewer. > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> Fruits 2cm long with 2 erect mucronate beaks > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> covered > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> with > >> >> >>>>>>> hooked > >> >> >>>>>>> > > >> > >> prickles. > >> >> > > >> >> > ... > >> >> > > >> >> > read more » > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > ********************************************************************** > >> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> >> Conservation Officer > >> >> > >> >> Office: > >> >> Flora Conservation Department > >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >> >> > >> >> Residence: > >> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >> >> > >> >> email: [email protected] > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > - H.S. > >> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > heart > >> > of > >> > stone > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ********************************************************************** > >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > >> > >> > >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >> Conservation Officer > >> > >> Office: > >> Flora Conservation Department > >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >> > >> Residence: > >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > >> > >> email: [email protected] > >> [email protected] > >> [email protected] > >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) > > > > > > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Conservation Officer > > Office: > Flora Conservation Department > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > Residence: > 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > email: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) > +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >
