Pankaj ji: if high priority has left in lurch... I cant imagine what happens to low priority plants...?
:) U di ====== On Oct 20, 4:25 pm, Dr Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > Usha mam. Asteraceae was always on high priority for many scientists > since a long time :) > Pankaj > > On Oct 20, 6:12 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes that must be true > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sirji i guess people called the same species as X. indicum instead of X. > > > strumarium before Clarke cleared the things. > > > > regards, > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Yes H S > > >> X. strumarium L. and X. indicum Roxb. are same species as per most > > >> databases and publication, but looking at the fact that X. indicum was > > >> described from India nearly more than 200 years and X. strumarium > > >> described > > >> in Clarke Compositae Indicae nearly 150 years ago, it may not be > > >> appropriate > > >> to call is an introduced weed at this stage. > > >> But there is another species X. spinosus, which has been recently > > >> introduced in Kashmir, and was uploaded by me on Flowers of India. > > > >> -- > > >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> Retired Associate Professor > > >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> Dear all, > > >>> Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium strumarium > > >>> L. > > >>> which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced species. > > >>> Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i guess, > > >>> if its > > >>> a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will be > > >>> great if > > >>> someone upload both species photographs on the site.. > > > >>> regards, > > > >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> Gurucharanji::)... > > > >>>> no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get mad... > > >>>> :), > > > >>>> there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... > > > >>>> by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody who gets > > >>>> fixed ideas and wont budge''' > > > >>>> "you" is not USHA DI > > > >>>> I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... > > > >>>> except in a few cases: > > >>>> like: > > >>>> a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little bit > > >>>> pregnant... > > >>>> secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes ... its > > >>>> no > > >>>> longer benign... > > >>>> I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a few > > >>>> cancer cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... and final > > >>>> diagnosis : Benign lymph nodes... > > >>>> or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign polyp... > > >>>> stupid > > > >>>> and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like that ( and > > >>>> he got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind about > > >>>> fooling the > > >>>> patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... > > > >>>> OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... > > > >>>> in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... way back > > >>>> in > > >>>> 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including yours > > >>>> truly... open mind is FUN.... > > > >>>> and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues provided by > > >>>> the most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine seminars and > > >>>> groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their minds > > >>>> too > > >>>> rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey zones... but > > >>>> as > > >>>> nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... open > > >>>> mind > > >>>> area ... > > >>>> ... > > > >>>> BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be pushed around > > >>>> or put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance etc > > >>>> etc... but > > >>>> that's another story.. > > > >>>> Usha di > > >>>> ========== > > > >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh > > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>> Ushadi > > >>>>> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? > > >>>>> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have fixed ideas. > > >>>>> We believe in open exchange of information. > > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>> Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of putting > > >>>>>> ideas... > > > >>>>>> thank you folks > > >>>>>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... > > > >>>>>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant for the > > >>>>>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... > > > >>>>>> usha di > > > >>>>>> ==== > > >>>>>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Yes Pankaj ji > > >>>>>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. > > >>>>>> > Thanks for information > > > >>>>>> > -- > > >>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar < > > >>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: 479 > > >>>>>> > > (1823). > > >>>>>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. > > >>>>>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium is > > >>>>>> resolved, > > >>>>>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). > > >>>>>> > > Pankaj > > > >>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > >>>>>> > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > Pankaj ji > > >>>>>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any author) is > > >>>>>> accepted > > >>>>>> > > name > > >>>>>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as synonym > > >>>>>> > > > I > > >>>>>> am tired > > >>>>>> > > of > > >>>>>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. > > > >>>>>> > > > -- > > >>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names which may > > >>>>>> actually > > >>>>>> > > >> be wrong. > > >>>>>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at retention of > > >>>>>> those > > >>>>>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". > > >>>>>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., Gen. > > >>>>>> > > >> Pl.: > > >>>>>> 64. 4 > > >>>>>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, Fam. des > > >>>>>> plantes > > >>>>>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. > > > >>>>>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium indicum may be > > >>>>>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as atleast > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. > > > >>>>>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved according > > >>>>>> > > >> to > > >>>>>> The > > >>>>>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct species > > >>>>>> with > > >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but synonymous > > >>>>>> with > > >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. > > > >>>>>> > > >> WHEREAS > > > >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an unresolved name. > > > >>>>>> > > >> Regards > > >>>>>> > > >> Pankaj > > > >>>>>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing out > > >>>>>> > > >> > that. > > >>>>>> Even The > > >>>>>> > > >> > plant > > >>>>>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more deeper in > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>> > > context. > > > >>>>>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Satish ji > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to > > >>>>>> > > >> > > understand > > >>>>>> how > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Xanthium > > >>>>>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. indicum, > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> > > >> > > accepted name > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > -- > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor > > >>>>>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >>>>>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >>>>>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > >>>>>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke > > >>>>>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* > > >>>>>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae > > >>>>>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on roadside > > >>>>>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city last > > >>>>>> > > >> > >> few > > >>>>>> days > > ... > > read more »
