Dear all, Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium strumarium L. which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced species. Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i guess, if its a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will be great if someone upload both species photographs on the site..
regards, On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > Gurucharanji::)... > > no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get mad... :), > there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... > > by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody who gets > fixed ideas and wont budge''' > > "you" is not USHA DI > > I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... > > except in a few cases: > like: > a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little bit > pregnant... > secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes ... its no > longer benign... > I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a few cancer > cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... and final diagnosis : > Benign lymph nodes... > or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign polyp... > stupid > > and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like that ( and he > got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind about fooling the > patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... > > > OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... > > in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... way back in > 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including yours > truly... open mind is FUN.... > > and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues provided by the > most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine seminars and > groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their minds too > rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey zones... but as > nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... open mind > area ... > ... > > BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be pushed around or > put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance etc etc... but > that's another story.. > > Usha di > ========== > > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Ushadi >> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? >> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have fixed ideas. We >> believe in open exchange of information. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of putting >>> ideas... >>> >>> thank you folks >>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... >>> >>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant for the >>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... >>> >>> usha di >>> >>> ==== >>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Yes Pankaj ji >>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. >>> > Thanks for information >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > Retired Associate Professor >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected] >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: 479 (1823). >>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. >>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium is >>> resolved, >>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). >>> > > Pankaj >>> > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > Pankaj ji >>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any author) is >>> accepted >>> > > name >>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as synonym I am >>> tired >>> > > of >>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. >>> > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > > > Retired Associate Professor >>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>> [email protected] >>> > >>> > > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names which may >>> actually >>> > > >> be wrong. >>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at retention of >>> those >>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". >>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., Gen. Pl.: >>> 64. 4 >>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, Fam. des >>> plantes >>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. >>> > >>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium indicum may be >>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as atleast the >>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. >>> > >>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved according to >>> The >>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct species with >>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but synonymous with >>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. >>> > >>> > > >> WHEREAS >>> > >>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an unresolved name. >>> > >>> > > >> Regards >>> > > >> Pankaj >>> > >>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing out that. >>> Even The >>> > > >> > plant >>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more deeper in that >>> > > context. >>> > >>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > >> > > Satish ji >>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to understand >>> how >>> > > >> > > Xanthium >>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. indicum, the >>> > > >> > > accepted name >>> > >>> > > >> > > -- >>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor >>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> > >>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke >>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* >>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae >>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on roadside >>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city last few >>> days >>> > > >> > >> Large herb Annual about 1m in height. >>> > > >> > >> Stem branches rough hairy. >>> > > >> > >> Leaves serrate alternate 5-8 cm ovate acute triangular or >>> lobed' >>> > > >> > >> appressed >>> > > >> > >> hairy. >>> > > >> > >> Flower heads 0.4-0.8mm across. Green when young in terminal >>> and >>> > > >> > >> axillary >>> > > >> > >> spikes.Barren heads crowded at apex. Fertile heads fewer. >>> > > >> > >> Fruits 2cm long with 2 erect mucronate beaks covered with >>> hooked >>> > > >> > >> prickles. >>> > > >> > >> Achenes 1cm bye 0.4 cm oblong or ovoid. Compressed black. >>> > >>> > > >> > >> -- >>> > > >> > >> Dr Satish Phadke >>> > >>> > > >> > -- >>> > > >> > Dr Satish Phadke >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > >>> ********************************************************************** >>> > > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>> > >>> > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>> > > Conservation Officer >>> > >>> > > Office: >>> > > Flora Conservation Department >>> > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>> > > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> > >>> > > Residence: >>> > > 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>> > > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>> > >>> > > email: [email protected] >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>> > > +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
