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-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > Sirji i guess people called the same species as X. indicum instead of X. > strumarium before Clarke cleared the things. > > regards, > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes H S >> X. strumarium L. and X. indicum Roxb. are same species as per most >> databases and publication, but looking at the fact that X. indicum was >> described from India nearly more than 200 years and X. strumarium described >> in Clarke Compositae Indicae nearly 150 years ago, it may not be appropriate >> to call is an introduced weed at this stage. >> But there is another species X. spinosus, which has been recently >> introduced in Kashmir, and was uploaded by me on Flowers of India. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> Here in Maharashtra we get mostly one species i.e. Xanthium strumarium L. >>> which is seen as a roadside weed, no doubt its an introduced species. >>> Xanthium indicum Koeng. ex Roxb. is synonym of X. strumarium i guess, if its >>> a reliable different species atleast i have not seen it. it will be great if >>> someone upload both species photographs on the site.. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Gurucharanji::)... >>>> >>>> no no... you are most level headed guy... except when you get mad... :), >>>> >>>> there is no fear of you getting a swollen head... >>>> >>>> by "You" i hope you meant ONE ... someone.. a nebulous anybody who gets >>>> fixed ideas and wont budge''' >>>> >>>> "you" is not USHA DI >>>> >>>> I never have fixed ideas... most open mind... >>>> >>>> except in a few cases: >>>> like: >>>> a lady is pregnant or not... there is no such thing a little bit >>>> pregnant... >>>> secondly... if there is cancer in some organs or lymph nodes ... its no >>>> longer benign... >>>> I had once had a boss who used to make diagnosis like: i see a few >>>> cancer cells in this group.. three lymph nodes have them... and final >>>> diagnosis : Benign lymph nodes... >>>> or this biopsy has a few cancer cells: final diagnosis: benign polyp... >>>> stupid >>>> >>>> and I had to clean up his mess... messy inept diagnosis like that ( and >>>> he got the big money for being the boss) ... no open mind about fooling >>>> the >>>> patient or just plain ineptitude by/of such stupid doctors... >>>> >>>> >>>> OTHERWISE...I HAVE A MOST OPEN MIND... >>>> >>>> in my camera club I even had a category called OPEN MIND... way back in >>>> 1980....lots of members won prizes in that category, including yours >>>> truly... open mind is FUN.... >>>> >>>> and least stressful, judging from the conversations / clues provided by >>>> the most stressed out patients in my mind-body medicine seminars and >>>> groups...who tend to have least open mind... they make up their minds too >>>> rapidly and see the world in black and white... no grey zones... but as >>>> nature made it all situations have a large-wide grey zone... open mind >>>> area ... >>>> ... >>>> >>>> BUT open mind also does not mean pushover... I can not be pushed around >>>> or put down by sexists or inept diagnosticians or arrogance etc etc... but >>>> that's another story.. >>>> >>>> Usha di >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ushadi >>>>> Don,t pump us so much. If it gets into our head? >>>>> The conversation always flows like this if you don't have fixed ideas. >>>>> We believe in open exchange of information. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Ushadi micromini < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wonderful learning conversation.... and sooo mature way of putting >>>>>> ideas... >>>>>> >>>>>> thank you folks >>>>>> I wish all our conversations were this collegial... >>>>>> >>>>>> Coming back to this case.. it may no be a high prioroty plant for the >>>>>> naming/restructuring of classification group/s... >>>>>> >>>>>> usha di >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== >>>>>> On Oct 20, 8:27 am, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Yes Pankaj ji >>>>>> > I found it out from IPNI and Compositae Checklist. >>>>>> > Thanks for information >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Xanthium strumarium Elliott Sketch Bot. S. Carolina 2: 479 (1823). >>>>>> > > This is the full citation of the same name. >>>>>> > > I understood your point. May be once the other strumarium is >>>>>> resolved, >>>>>> > > they will be able to resolve this one also :). >>>>>> > > Pankaj >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>> > > > Pankaj ji >>>>>> > > > But interestingly Xanthium strumarium (without any author) is >>>>>> accepted >>>>>> > > name >>>>>> > > > according to the Plant List, with X. chinense Mill. as synonym I >>>>>> am tired >>>>>> > > of >>>>>> > > > pointing out corrections to them. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > -- >>>>>> > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> > > > Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> There are many provisions in ICBN to conserve names which may >>>>>> actually >>>>>> > > >> be wrong. >>>>>> > > >> Article 14.2.of ICBN says, "Conservation aims at retention of >>>>>> those >>>>>> > > >> names which best serve stability of nomenclature". >>>>>> > > >> Stability like, the name of family Orchidaceae Juss., Gen. Pl.: >>>>>> 64. 4 >>>>>> > > >> Aug 1789. is conserved against Orchidaceae Adanson, Fam. des >>>>>> plantes >>>>>> > > >> 2: 68 1763. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> Just based on the popularity of usage, Xanthium indicum may be >>>>>> > > >> considered conserved, but it is not yet conserved, as atleast >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > >> plant list or GRIN doesnt consider them as same. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> For this particular case, it is yet to be resolved according to >>>>>> The >>>>>> > > >> Plant List and both are till now considered distinct species >>>>>> with >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium indicum Roxb. is an unresolved name but synonymous >>>>>> with >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium inaequilaterum DC.. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> WHEREAS >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> Xanthium strumarium L. Sp. Pl. 987 1753 is an unresolved name. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> Regards >>>>>> > > >> Pankaj >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> On Oct 20, 2:25 am, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > >> > Agreed it has to be vice versa. Thanks for pointing out that. >>>>>> Even The >>>>>> > > >> > plant >>>>>> > > >> > list has something else to say. I cant go more deeper in >>>>>> that >>>>>> > > context. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > > Satish ji >>>>>> > > >> > > Yes the identification is correct, but I fail to understand >>>>>> how >>>>>> > > >> > > Xanthium >>>>>> > > >> > > strumarium, a much earlier name be synonym and X. indicum, >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > >> > > accepted name >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > > -- >>>>>> > > >> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> > > >> > > Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> > > >> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> > > >> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> > > >> > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> > > >> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Satish Phadke >>>>>> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >> *Xanthium indicum* Syn *Xanthium strumarium* >>>>>> > > >> > >> Family : Asteraceae >>>>>> > > >> > >> Marathi : Shankeshwar शंकेश्वर A vweed common on roadside >>>>>> > > >> > >> Observed flowering in open areas around Pune city last few >>>>>> days >>>>>> > > >> > >> Large herb Annual about 1m in height. >>>>>> > > >> > >> Stem branches rough hairy. >>>>>> > > >> > >> Leaves serrate alternate 5-8 cm ovate acute triangular or >>>>>> lobed' >>>>>> > > >> > >> appressed >>>>>> > > >> > >> hairy. >>>>>> > > >> > >> Flower heads 0.4-0.8mm across. Green when young in >>>>>> terminal and >>>>>> > > >> > >> axillary >>>>>> > > >> > >> spikes.Barren heads crowded at apex. Fertile heads fewer. >>>>>> > > >> > >> Fruits 2cm long with 2 erect mucronate beaks covered with >>>>>> hooked >>>>>> > > >> > >> prickles. >>>>>> > > >> > >> Achenes 1cm bye 0.4 cm oblong or ovoid. Compressed black. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > >> -- >>>>>> > > >> > >> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > >> > -- >>>>>> > > >> > Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ********************************************************************** >>>>>> > > "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>>>> > > Conservation Officer >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Office: >>>>>> > > Flora Conservation Department >>>>>> > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>> > > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Residence: >>>>>> > > 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>>>> > > Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > email: [email protected] >>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>>>>> > > +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of stone >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone > >
