Charlie, Yes clarify for the future. I am a PRODUCT engineer not research. I only care when it gets close to product. Clearly test beds are different.
Pessimistic. Excuse me but I see nothing optimistic because I have heard it all to often. So don't even give me that at all. I do think its closer though and yes I am tracking it as painful as I find it. As far as custom platforms. That might be true but at times the market won't wait. That will happen very soon and new specs will show up that work from the market. Regards, /jim -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:47 PM To: Bound, Jim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Optimistic DAD draft ... Hello Jim, "Bound, Jim" wrote: > Test beds are good. But no one is going to use it till we make sure it > works across many products. Of course, people in general can't use it until it's productized. And, productization depends on standardization. However, I was responding to your sentence: > None of us working on this are even clear layer 3 handover will ever > work? I am providing the information that it DOES work. How long it takes to get to market will depend on things other than whether the technology is workable. In fact, the very things you pointed out. > I would not put my shit on the line for > anyones implementation of layer 3 such as a soldier or hospital > emergency rescue team. Nor for IPv6 at this time. Well, you could, but without products it would be hard. But productization and standardization have been hindered by factors which would not be important for the applications that you indicated. On the other hand, it's easier to write applications for products (vs. custom platforms) because it is easier to fund because there's more profit in it. > I would like to see specs for this and agreement on MIPv6 movement. We > can't even get MIPv6 PS in the IETF. We are currently busting our tails to respond to Working Group Last Call comments, and we are down to the end. You can see the progress by looking at our page of issues: http://www.piuha.net/~jarkko/publications/mipv6/MIPv6-Issues.html Everyone knows it's been a long and contentious process. However, pessimism is not justified by current events. Regards, Charlie P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles E. Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:11 PM > To: Bound, Jim > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Optimistic DAD draft ... > > Hello Jim, > > Layer 3 handover definitely can and does work. > We have been showing smooth layer-3 handover for > voice for almost two years now, even with conference > demos and press releases, using Mobile IPv6. > Improvements have been done for QoS and several > other features which aren't the point of this > note. Video is either done or doable depending > on your definitions. > > The media and technology (Mobile IP and fast > handovers) support it; some way of alleviating > DAD delays is required for it to work. The market > and the standardization process are another matter > entirely. Research publications are yet another > matter, but some papers have been published. > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > "Bound, Jim" wrote: > > > > Alper, > > > > None of us working on this are even clear layer 3 handover will ever > > work? Not sure if that matters does it? Are we talking about the > > future? > > > > Thanks > > /jim > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------
